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mike wilson
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 8:32 AM

On 03 April 2021 at 07:04 John Francis johnf@panix.com wrote:

The one that B&H have been showing for a while is at least metal, not plastic.
I'm not sure whether the one on the German web page, which is apparently a
special K3 one that is made to look a bit like a pentaprism housing, and has
the word Pentax on it (albeit not inscribed in large, friendly letters ...)
is metal or plastic.

Would a friendlier font help you keep tabs on it?  Would keeping tabs on it make you a better photographer?  Enquiring monds (both of them) need to know.

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:02:03PM -0400, John wrote:

Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the
original stock hot-shoe cover?

On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote:

I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B&H's web
site for several years now.?? It is outrageously expensive for a piece
of extruded plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III.

On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis:

Well, it is April 1st ...

Sure?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html

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PS: I haven't lost the original hot-shoe covers. I took them off and put
them in my desk drawer so I wouldn't lose them.

> On 03 April 2021 at 07:04 John Francis <johnf@panix.com> wrote: > > > > The one that B&H have been showing for a while is at least metal, not plastic. > I'm not sure whether the one on the German web page, which is apparently a > special K3 one that is made to look a bit like a pentaprism housing, and has > the word Pentax on it (albeit not inscribed in large, friendly letters ...) > is metal or plastic. Would a friendlier font help you keep tabs on it? Would keeping tabs on it make you a better photographer? Enquiring monds (both of them) need to know. > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:02:03PM -0400, John wrote: > > Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the > > original stock hot-shoe cover? > > > > On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B&H's web > > > site for several years now.?? It is outrageously expensive for a piece > > > of extruded plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III. > > > > > > On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > > > Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis: > > > > > > > > > Well, it is April 1st ... > > > > > > > > Sure? > > > > > > > > https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > PS: I haven't lost the original hot-shoe covers. I took them off and put > > them in my desk drawer so I wouldn't lose them.
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Henk Terhell
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 10:36 AM

I've discovered that with the K-1 on tripod the majority of my pictures
are nowadays taken after composing in live view.
It is easier to select focus and has wider focus area. With the
possibility to adjust the angle of the screen it is easy enough to avoid
reflection of the screen.
And with focus stacking or HDR I use the remote control.
So I don't care much about the viewfinder except for pics of fast moving
animals, but for which faster AF is of much more importance.

Henk

Op 2021-04-03 om 05:05 schreef John:

I do wonder how that better viewfinder is going to work with the touch
screen display though.

On 4/2/2021 16:25:06, Mark C wrote:

On 3/31/2021 12:52 PM, Bill wrote:

The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is
built around an apparently fantastic viewfinder.
I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer
already has an external battery charger.

A reviewer on Peta Pixel was very impressed with the viewfinder and
commented that developing it must of been a considerable effort. I
have no idea what it takes to build a better finder, but it may be
that Pentax is really serious about people wanting to use optical
finders vs EVF's and decided to build the camera around this feature.
Hopefully there is really a market segment motivated by super nice
view finders. The camera does look impressive.

Mark

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I've discovered that with the K-1 on tripod the majority of my pictures are nowadays taken after composing in live view. It is easier to select focus and has wider focus area. With the possibility to adjust the angle of the screen it is easy enough to avoid reflection of the screen. And with focus stacking or HDR I use the remote control. So I don't care much about the viewfinder except for pics of fast moving animals, but for which faster AF is of much more importance. Henk Op 2021-04-03 om 05:05 schreef John: > I do wonder how that better viewfinder is going to work with the touch > screen display though. > > On 4/2/2021 16:25:06, Mark C wrote: >> On 3/31/2021 12:52 PM, Bill wrote: >>> >>> The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is >>> built around an apparently fantastic viewfinder. >>> I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer >>> already has an external battery charger. >> >> A reviewer on Peta Pixel was very impressed with the viewfinder and >> commented that developing it must of been a considerable effort. I >> have no idea what it takes to build a better finder, but it may be >> that Pentax is really serious about people wanting to use optical >> finders vs EVF's and decided to build the camera around this feature. >> Hopefully there is really a market segment motivated by super nice >> view finders. The camera does look impressive. >> >> Mark >> >> -- > >
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Bill
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 2:44 PM

On 4/3/2021 2:24 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:

Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for
that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger?

As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the
charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

Except.... if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger.

Dear God, we certainly do our very best to find non existent problems
don't we?

If you need more than one battery for a day's shooting, then when you
buy your spare battery, spend the (in my case Can$40.00) for a charger
to go along with it.
If you don't need more than one battery per day of shooting, plug the
camera in before you go to sleep and have a charged battery in the morning.

I really didn't realize this shit was rocket science.

bill

On 4/3/2021 2:24 AM, mike wilson wrote: > >> On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John <jsessoms002@nc.rr.com> wrote: >> >> >> Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for >> that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? >> >> As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the >> charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. > > Except.... if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger. Dear God, we certainly do our very best to find non existent problems don't we? If you need more than one battery for a day's shooting, then when you buy your spare battery, spend the (in my case Can$40.00) for a charger to go along with it. If you don't need more than one battery per day of shooting, plug the camera in before you go to sleep and have a charged battery in the morning. I really didn't realize this shit was rocket science. bill
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Alan C
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 3:00 PM

Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. I didn't mean to be a red rag.
I simply said that I was surprised an external charger wasn't included
when you are already paying so much for the camera. Thank goodness it
wasn't me who mentioned the lack of a hot-shoe cover.

Alan C

On 03-Apr-21 04:44 PM, Bill wrote:

On 4/3/2021 2:24 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:

Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II
chargers? Or for
that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger?

As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the
lack of the
charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

Except.... if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the
new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without
the charger.

Dear God, we certainly do our very best to find non existent problems
don't we?

If you need more than one battery for a day's shooting, then when you
buy your spare battery, spend the (in my case Can$40.00) for a charger
to go along with it.
If you don't need more than one battery per day of shooting, plug the
camera in before you go to sleep and have a charged battery in the
morning.

I really didn't realize this shit was rocket science.

bill

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Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. I didn't mean to be a red rag. I simply said that I was surprised an external charger wasn't included when you are already paying so much for the camera. Thank goodness it wasn't me who mentioned the lack of a hot-shoe cover. Alan C On 03-Apr-21 04:44 PM, Bill wrote: > On 4/3/2021 2:24 AM, mike wilson wrote: >> >>> On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John <jsessoms002@nc.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II >>> chargers? Or for >>> that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? >>> >>> As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the >>> lack of the >>> charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. >> >> Except.... if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the >> new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without >> the charger. > > Dear God, we certainly do our very best to find non existent problems > don't we? > > If you need more than one battery for a day's shooting, then when you > buy your spare battery, spend the (in my case Can$40.00) for a charger > to go along with it. > If you don't need more than one battery per day of shooting, plug the > camera in before you go to sleep and have a charged battery in the > morning. > > I really didn't realize this shit was rocket science. > > bill > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions.
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Ralf R Radermacher
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 3:27 PM

Am 03.04.21 um 17:00 schrieb Alan C:

Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault.

Not to worry. Looks more like Bill is happy to have found something
(i.e. you and me) to  get all worked up about.

Ralf

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Am 03.04.21 um 17:00 schrieb Alan C: > Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. Not to worry. Looks more like Bill is happy to have found something (i.e. you and me) to get all worked up about. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de
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Toine
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 3:36 PM

I mentioned the missing charger. :)

All prereviews rave about the viewfinder. The specs say 1.05x vs 0.95x for
current models. I dont see how that would be a major improvement. If the
viewfinder would be just like the MX it would make it a dream for tele.
I dont see much in the current 0.95x viewfinders and my optomotrist claims
i have 120% vision

On Sat, 3 Apr 2021, 17:27 Ralf R Radermacher, fotoralf@gmx.de wrote:

Am 03.04.21 um 17:00 schrieb Alan C:

Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault.

Not to worry. Looks more like Bill is happy to have found something
(i.e. you and me) to  get all worked up about.

Ralf

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I mentioned the missing charger. :) All prereviews rave about the viewfinder. The specs say 1.05x vs 0.95x for current models. I dont see how that would be a major improvement. If the viewfinder would be just like the MX it would make it a dream for tele. I dont see much in the current 0.95x viewfinders and my optomotrist claims i have 120% vision On Sat, 3 Apr 2021, 17:27 Ralf R Radermacher, <fotoralf@gmx.de> wrote: > Am 03.04.21 um 17:00 schrieb Alan C: > > Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. > > Not to worry. Looks more like Bill is happy to have found something > (i.e. you and me) to get all worked up about. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions.
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mike wilson
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 3:42 PM

On 03 April 2021 at 15:44 Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:

On 4/3/2021 2:24 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:

Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for
that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger?

As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the
charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

Except.... if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger.

Dear God, we certainly do our very best to find non existent problems
don't we?

If you need more than one battery for a day's shooting, then when you
buy your spare battery, spend the (in my case Can$40.00) for a charger
to go along with it.
If you don't need more than one battery per day of shooting, plug the
camera in before you go to sleep and have a charged battery in the morning.

I really didn't realize this shit was rocket science.

I don't necessarily disagree with you about the need for a battery charger for many buyers; my point is that, for an unknown percentage of buyers, the $40:00 extra might be the difference between buying and not.  Assuming the wholesale cost of a charger would be $20 and the cost to buy from the manufacturer in bulk would be half that, it does rather come over as spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar.  The packaging probably costs more.

> On 03 April 2021 at 15:44 Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 4/3/2021 2:24 AM, mike wilson wrote: > > > >> On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John <jsessoms002@nc.rr.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for > >> that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? > >> > >> As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the > >> charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. > > > > Except.... if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger. > > Dear God, we certainly do our very best to find non existent problems > don't we? > > If you need more than one battery for a day's shooting, then when you > buy your spare battery, spend the (in my case Can$40.00) for a charger > to go along with it. > If you don't need more than one battery per day of shooting, plug the > camera in before you go to sleep and have a charged battery in the morning. > > I really didn't realize this shit was rocket science. I don't necessarily disagree with you about the _need_ for a battery charger for many buyers; my point is that, for an unknown percentage of buyers, the $40:00 extra might be the difference between buying and not. Assuming the wholesale cost of a charger would be $20 and the cost to buy from the manufacturer in bulk would be half that, it does rather come over as spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar. The packaging probably costs more.
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Bill
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 4:44 PM

On 4/3/2021 9:00 AM, Alan C wrote:

Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. I didn't mean to be a red rag.
I simply said that I was surprised an external charger wasn't included
when you are already paying so much for the camera. Thank goodness it
wasn't me who mentioned the lack of a hot-shoe cover.

At some point the first world problems just become too much to bear.

bill

On 4/3/2021 9:00 AM, Alan C wrote: > Sorry chaps, it's probably all my fault. I didn't mean to be a red rag. > I simply said that I was surprised an external charger wasn't included > when you are already paying so much for the camera. Thank goodness it > wasn't me who mentioned the lack of a hot-shoe cover. > At some point the first world problems just become too much to bear. bill
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Ralf R Radermacher
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 7:29 PM

Am 31.03.21 um 09:33 schrieb Henk Terhell:

What am I to make of this:

"The PENTAX K-3 Mark III allows AE photography at the closed-down
aperture for M-series lenses and lenses that previously could be used
only in open-aperture shooting."

Any difference to the behaviour of former Pentax DSLR bodies with e.g. M
lenses? Wouldn't I have to use the green button for measuring anymore?

Ralf

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Am 31.03.21 um 09:33 schrieb Henk Terhell: > https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review > Recommended price is $ 2000. What am I to make of this: "The PENTAX K-3 Mark III allows AE photography at the closed-down aperture for M-series lenses and lenses that previously could be used only in open-aperture shooting." Any difference to the behaviour of former Pentax DSLR bodies with e.g. M lenses? Wouldn't I have to use the green button for measuring anymore? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de
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John
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 8:20 PM

On 4/3/2021 04:24:21, mike wilson wrote:

On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:

Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for
that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger?

As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the
charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

Except.... if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger.

Valid point, but I'm unlikely to sell an existing camera to finance a new one.

I still have my K1000, LX, SuperProgram, PZ-1p (x2), *ist-D, K10D, K20D ...
along with the K-3 & K-1.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/29760575660/in/photostream/lightbox/

... and a Bronica ETRS & a couple of 4x5 cameras.

I'm not a collector, but I am a keeper.

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Religion - Answers we must never question.

On 4/3/2021 04:24:21, mike wilson wrote: > >> On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John <jsessoms002@nc.rr.com> wrote: >> >> >> Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for >> that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? >> >> As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the >> charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. > > Except.... if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger. > -- Valid point, but I'm unlikely to sell an existing camera to finance a new one. I still have my K1000, LX, SuperProgram, PZ-1p (x2), *ist-D, K10D, K20D ... along with the K-3 & K-1. https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/29760575660/in/photostream/lightbox/ ... and a Bronica ETRS & a couple of 4x5 cameras. I'm not a collector, but I am a keeper. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question.