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John
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 2:39 AM

Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for
that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger?

As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the
charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

But since my K-3 is an adequate backup for the K-1, I don't NEED to replace it.
And this doesn't appear to offer enough more that I would WANT to replace it.

Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it would be
the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II.

On 3/31/2021 03:43:08, Toine wrote:

2000 That hurts!
The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging
from USB C only.
Not to mention the fixed LCD screen.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 09:33, Henk Terhell hterhell@chello.nl wrote:

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Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. But since my K-3 is an adequate backup for the K-1, I don't NEED to replace it. And this doesn't appear to offer enough more that I would WANT to replace it. Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II. On 3/31/2021 03:43:08, Toine wrote: > 2000 That hurts! > The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging > from USB C only. > Not to mention the fixed LCD screen. > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 09:33, Henk Terhell <hterhell@chello.nl> wrote: >> >> https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review >> Recommended price is $ 2000. >> >> Henk >> -- -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question.
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John
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 3:02 AM

Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the
original stock hot-shoe cover?

On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote:

I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B&H's web site
for several years now.  It is outrageously expensive for a piece of extruded
plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III.

On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis:

Well, it is April 1st ...

PS: I haven't lost the original hot-shoe covers. I took them off and put them in
my desk drawer so I wouldn't lose them.

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Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the original stock hot-shoe cover? On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote: > I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B&H's web site > for several years now.  It is outrageously expensive for a piece of extruded > plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III. > > On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >> Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis: >> >>> Well, it is April 1st ... >> >> Sure? >> >> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html >> >> >> -- > PS: I haven't lost the original hot-shoe covers. I took them off and put them in my desk drawer so I wouldn't lose them. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question.
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John
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 3:05 AM

I do wonder how that better viewfinder is going to work with the touch screen
display though.

On 4/2/2021 16:25:06, Mark C wrote:

On 3/31/2021 12:52 PM, Bill wrote:

The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around
an apparently fantastic viewfinder.
I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has
an external battery charger.

A reviewer on Peta Pixel was very impressed with the viewfinder and commented
that developing it must of been a considerable effort. I have no idea what it
takes to build a better finder, but it may be that Pentax is really serious
about people wanting to use optical finders vs EVF's and decided to build the
camera around this feature. Hopefully there is really a market segment motivated
by super nice view finders. The camera does look impressive.

Mark

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I do wonder how that better viewfinder is going to work with the touch screen display though. On 4/2/2021 16:25:06, Mark C wrote: > On 3/31/2021 12:52 PM, Bill wrote: >> >> The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around >> an apparently fantastic viewfinder. >> I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has >> an external battery charger. > > A reviewer on Peta Pixel was very impressed with the viewfinder and commented > that developing it must of been a considerable effort. I have no idea what it > takes to build a better finder, but it may be that Pentax is really serious > about people wanting to use optical finders vs EVF's and decided to build the > camera around this feature. Hopefully there is really a market segment motivated > by super nice view finders. The camera does look impressive. > > Mark > > -- -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question.
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John
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 3:10 AM

It's probably not a problem for a Pentax user who already has chargers for the
D-LI90, but I think it might be a downside for attracting new users to the brand.

On 4/1/2021 10:50:15, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 01.04.21 um 16:37 schrieb Bill:

You might just have a battery charger sitting around your house if you
think about it.

They've all been sold with the cameras they came with.

K-3: 1300 euros with charger, K-3-III: 2000 without. Strange logic...

Ralf

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It's probably not a problem for a Pentax user who already has chargers for the D-LI90, but I think it might be a downside for attracting new users to the brand. On 4/1/2021 10:50:15, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > Am 01.04.21 um 16:37 schrieb Bill: > >> You might just have a battery charger sitting around your house if you >> think about it. > > They've all been sold with the cameras they came with. > > K-3: 1300 euros with charger, K-3-III: 2000 without. Strange logic... > > Ralf > > -- -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question.
JF
John Francis
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 4:39 AM

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:39:07PM -0400, John wrote:

Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it
would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II.

If you are doing the type of photography wher the K-1 shines, then it's
probably the best body for you.  I shoot more at the longer focal lengths
than at the wide end (and find 16mm on a crop-factor body to be wide enough),
so for me the larger sensor of the K-1 isn't particularly tempting, especially
since the image quality of even my old K-5 sensor is hard to fault unless I'm
really pushing things.

What I'm looking for is better autofocus (and as fast a frame rate as possible
in the continuous shooting mode).  I'm waiting to see what the reviewers have
to say about the new autofocus system, but early reports seem promising.

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:39:07PM -0400, John wrote: > > Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it > would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II. If you are doing the type of photography wher the K-1 shines, then it's probably the best body for you. I shoot more at the longer focal lengths than at the wide end (and find 16mm on a crop-factor body to be wide enough), so for me the larger sensor of the K-1 isn't particularly tempting, especially since the image quality of even my old K-5 sensor is hard to fault unless I'm really pushing things. What I'm looking for is better autofocus (and as fast a frame rate as possible in the continuous shooting mode). I'm waiting to see what the reviewers have to say about the new autofocus system, but early reports seem promising.
J
John
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 6:03 AM

The camera autofocus & frame rates aren't what's holding back my development as
a photographer.

On 4/3/2021 00:39:22, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:39:07PM -0400, John wrote:

Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it
would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II.

If you are doing the type of photography wher the K-1 shines, then it's
probably the best body for you.  I shoot more at the longer focal lengths
than at the wide end (and find 16mm on a crop-factor body to be wide enough),
so for me the larger sensor of the K-1 isn't particularly tempting, especially
since the image quality of even my old K-5 sensor is hard to fault unless I'm
really pushing things.

What I'm looking for is better autofocus (and as fast a frame rate as possible
in the continuous shooting mode).  I'm waiting to see what the reviewers have
to say about the new autofocus system, but early reports seem promising.

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The camera autofocus & frame rates aren't what's holding back my development as a photographer. On 4/3/2021 00:39:22, John Francis wrote: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:39:07PM -0400, John wrote: >> >> Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it >> would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II. > > If you are doing the type of photography wher the K-1 shines, then it's > probably the best body for you. I shoot more at the longer focal lengths > than at the wide end (and find 16mm on a crop-factor body to be wide enough), > so for me the larger sensor of the K-1 isn't particularly tempting, especially > since the image quality of even my old K-5 sensor is hard to fault unless I'm > really pushing things. > > What I'm looking for is better autofocus (and as fast a frame rate as possible > in the continuous shooting mode). I'm waiting to see what the reviewers have > to say about the new autofocus system, but early reports seem promising. > -- > -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question.
JF
John Francis
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 6:04 AM

The one that B&H have been showing for a while is at least metal, not plastic.
I'm not sure whether the one on the German web page, which is apparently a
special K3 one that is made to look a bit like a pentaprism housing, and has
the word Pentax on it (albeit not inscribed in large, friendly letters ...)
is metal or plastic.

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:02:03PM -0400, John wrote:

Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the
original stock hot-shoe cover?

On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote:

I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B&H's web
site for several years now.?? It is outrageously expensive for a piece
of extruded plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III.

On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis:

Well, it is April 1st ...

Sure?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html

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PS: I haven't lost the original hot-shoe covers. I took them off and put
them in my desk drawer so I wouldn't lose them.

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The one that B&H have been showing for a while is at least metal, not plastic. I'm not sure whether the one on the German web page, which is apparently a special K3 one that is made to look a bit like a pentaprism housing, and has the word Pentax on it (albeit not inscribed in large, friendly letters ...) is metal or plastic. On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:02:03PM -0400, John wrote: > Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the > original stock hot-shoe cover? > > On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote: > > I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B&H's web > > site for several years now.?? It is outrageously expensive for a piece > > of extruded plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III. > > > > On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > > Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis: > > > > > > > Well, it is April 1st ... > > > > > > Sure? > > > > > > https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PS: I haven't lost the original hot-shoe covers. I took them off and put > them in my desk drawer so I wouldn't lose them. > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
JF
John Francis
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 6:19 AM

For what I used to spend a lot of my time photographing, auto-focus began doing
better than I could manage around 25 years ago, which is why I bought a PZ-1p.
And after one too many times where I tripped the shutter just a little bit too
early, I want a camera that is ready to take the next shot as soon as possible.
I don't fret over much about my development as a photographer - I just want a
tool that helps me get the shot I want, especially in fast-changing situations.

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:03:39AM -0400, John wrote:

The camera autofocus & frame rates aren't what's holding back my development
as a photographer.

On 4/3/2021 00:39:22, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:39:07PM -0400, John wrote:

Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it
would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II.

If you are doing the type of photography wher the K-1 shines, then it's
probably the best body for you.  I shoot more at the longer focal lengths
than at the wide end (and find 16mm on a crop-factor body to be wide enough),
so for me the larger sensor of the K-1 isn't particularly tempting, especially
since the image quality of even my old K-5 sensor is hard to fault unless I'm
really pushing things.

What I'm looking for is better autofocus (and as fast a frame rate as possible
in the continuous shooting mode).  I'm waiting to see what the reviewers have
to say about the new autofocus system, but early reports seem promising.

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For what I used to spend a lot of my time photographing, auto-focus began doing better than I could manage around 25 years ago, which is why I bought a PZ-1p. And after one too many times where I tripped the shutter just a little bit too early, I want a camera that is ready to take the next shot as soon as possible. I don't fret over much about my development as a photographer - I just want a tool that helps me get the shot I want, especially in fast-changing situations. On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:03:39AM -0400, John wrote: > The camera autofocus & frame rates aren't what's holding back my development > as a photographer. > > On 4/3/2021 00:39:22, John Francis wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:39:07PM -0400, John wrote: > > > > > > Plus, if I did need to replace my K-3, the K-3 III doesn't look like it > > > would be the best choice. I'd probably be looking for a used K-1 or K-1 II. > > > > If you are doing the type of photography wher the K-1 shines, then it's > > probably the best body for you. I shoot more at the longer focal lengths > > than at the wide end (and find 16mm on a crop-factor body to be wide enough), > > so for me the larger sensor of the K-1 isn't particularly tempting, especially > > since the image quality of even my old K-5 sensor is hard to fault unless I'm > > really pushing things. > > > > What I'm looking for is better autofocus (and as fast a frame rate as possible > > in the continuous shooting mode). I'm waiting to see what the reviewers have > > to say about the new autofocus system, but early reports seem promising. > > -- > > > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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mike wilson
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 8:24 AM

On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:

Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for
that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger?

As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the
charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

Except.... if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger.

> On 03 April 2021 at 03:39 John <jsessoms002@nc.rr.com> wrote: > > > Can't you charge the battery using the original K-3 or K-3 II chargers? Or for > that matter, since the K-1 uses the same battery, use that charger? > > As long as the previous versions of the charger work with it, the lack of the > charger wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Except.... if you have to sell your existing camera to finance the new, you are less likely to sell/will command a lower price without the charger.
MW
mike wilson
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 8:27 AM

Pentax lens caps seem to be rather expensive as well.  I remember one review of lens caps in general that headed the Pentax section with "Same plastic, twice the price" - and they were.

On 03 April 2021 at 04:02 John jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:

Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the
original stock hot-shoe cover?

On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote:

I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B&H's web site
for several years now.  It is outrageously expensive for a piece of extruded
plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III.

On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis:

Well, it is April 1st ...

Sure?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html

Pentax lens caps seem to be rather expensive as well. I remember one review of lens caps in general that headed the Pentax section with "Same plastic, twice the price" - and they were. > On 03 April 2021 at 04:02 John <jsessoms002@nc.rr.com> wrote: > > > Yeah, but is it worth $50 if I'm just going to end up losing it like the > original stock hot-shoe cover? > > On 4/1/2021 13:30:23, P. J. Alling wrote: > > I hate to say this but the optional hot shoe cover has been on B&H's web site > > for several years now.  It is outrageously expensive for a piece of extruded > > plastic, but it's not new with the K-3III. > > > > On 4/1/2021 1:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > >> Am 01.04.21 um 18:38 schrieb John Francis: > >> > >>> Well, it is April 1st ... > >> > >> Sure? > >> > >> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568475-REG/pentax_31080_hot_shoe_cover.html