DP initial review of K-3 III
On 31 Mar 2021, at 18:52, Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/31/2021 1:43 AM, Toine wrote:
2000 That hurts!
The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging
from USB C only.
Not to mention the fixed LCD screen.
The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around an apparently fantastic viewfinder.
I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has an external battery charger.
Indeed, I have two of them, the older trusted one that came with the K1 I think, and the new one that uses an USB-charger unit. The charger part can be connected to camera directly as well, to charge the battery inside. No problem.
The USB charger should be usable for my safari-trip as well, where only USB power is available from the CAR batteries ;-)
I pre-ordered a black K3 III, to be used as the main camera on a safari-trip to Botswana, with the 150450 attached for wildlife, and also
take the K1 with me as a backup, and to use the 24-70 en 15-30mm on, for landscapes.
Glad they both take the same DLI-90 battery
Regards, JvW
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At that price, surely they can afford to include a charger?
Alan C
On 31-Mar-21 07:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/31/2021 1:43 AM, Toine wrote:
2000 That hurts!
The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging
from USB C only.
Not to mention the fixed LCD screen.
The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around an apparently fantastic viewfinder.
I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has an external battery charger.
Aftermarket chargers aren’t terribly expensive, but I already have several. I often depend on being able to charge multiple extra batteries when I’m not shooting with them.
I find the the articulated screen of the K-1 extremely handy, but make do without it on my K-3s.
I am somewhat hopeful that all of the performance improvements won’t take nearly as long to implement on the K-1 iii as they did on the K-3 iii. I’m also quite certain that they don’t even want to mention the existence of a future K-1 iii until sales of the K-3 iii have tapered off.
bill
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My tentative plan is to sell one of my two K-1ii bodies and to buy the K-3iii or some other APS-C body in a month or two.
If anyone wants to buy a used K-1ii, let me know. I will include a charger and at least one battery. And an articulating screen.
People keep mentioning the KP as an alternative to the new K-3iii. I never paid attention to the KP. What are the merits of the K-3ii vs. KP? One option I have considered is buying a used K-3ii in liu of the new release, but would the KP be a better alternative? Why?
Stan
On Mar 31, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Alan C cole@lantic.net wrote:
At that price, surely they can afford to include a charger?
Alan C
On 31-Mar-21 07:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/31/2021 1:43 AM, Toine wrote:
2000 That hurts!
The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging
from USB C only.
Not to mention the fixed LCD screen.
The fixed LCD screen was planned from the get go. The camera is built around an apparently fantastic viewfinder.
I suspect Ricoh knows their market, and knows that their customer already has an external battery charger.
Aftermarket chargers aren’t terribly expensive, but I already have several. I often depend on being able to charge multiple extra batteries when I’m not shooting with them.
I find the the articulated screen of the K-1 extremely handy, but make do without it on my K-3s.
I am somewhat hopeful that all of the performance improvements won’t take nearly as long to implement on the K-1 iii as they did on the K-3 iii. I’m also quite certain that they don’t even want to mention the existence of a future K-1 iii until sales of the K-3 iii have tapered off.
bill
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Am 31.03.21 um 20:13 schrieb Alan C:
At that price, surely they can afford to include a charger?
The real hoot is the optional hot shoe cover for 50 euros.
https://ac-foto.com/product/o-hc177-hot-shoe-cover
Ralf
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On 3/31/2021 11:15 AM, Toine wrote:
Maybe the sensor is something special, no idea, seeing is believing. I
never felt they should be losing money. My feelings: Paying double
(compared to the KP) for a partial upgrade and a partial downgrade
feels strange.
Everytime they claim improved AF, in practice it feels identical
(mediocre). Improved frame rate, buffer, build quality, 4K video
doesn't make me run to the store. Video on Pentax DSLR is an absolute
nightmare compared to the competition.
If the viewfinder and sensor is really special maybe I would bite, but
by then my jaw would be on the floor preventing a firm bite.
I've seen initial outputs from the new camera. It's not a "partial
upgrade", and not a downgrade at all.
Of course, you already have your mind made up, which is rather sad.
bill
Having no first hand knowledge here is my assessment.
Just due to the sensor being several Moore’s cycles newer than that K-3 or K-1, its raw performance will exceed even that of the K-1. However, since the days of the K-5 sensor performance has been to the point that in anything but the most ludicrous lighting, the difference in performance will be much more of a bragging point than any visible or practical difference for the vast majority of photos.
The current K-1 will still have an edge on some ultra wide and fast lenses, being able to use more of their angle of view. It will also have an edge in using some film era lenses that just seem to subjectively work better at their designed angle of view.
There are certain features that the K-3 iii is missing, that I expect will be available on the K-1 iii, both for space and to differentiate it from the K-3iii, since there is a very small percentage of crazies that actually push their cameras to their sensor performance limits.
I am very interested in seeing what the placement of the 101 focusing points is. I frequently find myself wanting to focus on something that is outside the area covered by focusing points. My expectation is that there will be a tremendous improvement in both focusing speed and accuracy, but I can guarantee you that there will be a lot of people for whom this is not sufficient, and it wouldn’t be good enough even if it psychicly knew what to focus on and did so perfectly even before you knew what you wanted it to focus on.
There will be as many people complaining that it isn’t mirrorless as there are who appreciate the new pentaprism, and will use this as evidence of the imminent demise of Ricoh/Pentax. Lather, rinse repeat for every new feature.
I suspect that at least part of the high ISO performance will be post processing rather than raw hardware performance, and this will be an issue for at least a significant percentage of photographers. It will be interesting to see how configurable that will be.
I predict that a lot of the reviews of the K-3 iii will comment on it’s stellar performance, and what a joy it is to use, and these glowing reviews will have little effect on the final sales numbers.
Actually I think the article said the opposite, no direct usb charging,
but it does include an external battery charger.
On 3/31/2021 3:43 AM, Toine wrote:
2000 That hurts!
The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging
from USB C only.
Not to mention the fixed LCD screen.
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 09:33, Henk Terhell hterhell@chello.nl wrote:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review
Recommended price is $ 2000.
Henk
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Any idiot can shoot with a Canon, Nikon, or Sony, it takes a special kind of idiot to use a Pentax.
It seems to address every criticism of the K3II except for a lack of a
tilt screen, so of course everyone is going to dump on it.
As I'm not currently the target market, more or less perfectly happy
with my current kit, all I see is a much improved APS-c, DSLR, and as I
like DSLRs more than mirrorless cameras, I'm glad they made it. I hope
they sell a ton of them.
On 3/31/2021 3:33 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-initial-review
Recommended price is $ 2000.
Henk
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On 1 Apr 2021, at 03:35, P. J. Alling webstertwentysix@gmail.com wrote:
Actually I think the article said the opposite, no direct usb charging, but it does include an external battery charger.
Hmm, not exactly.
I had an extensive talk with Mike Muizebelt this morning (the guy who did one of the K3 III reviews on You-Tube)
What is included is a wall-plug type charger unit with USB-C cable, that plugs into the camera.
The actual battery charge-circuitry is now built-in to the camera itself, which is an advantage in some situations, but less so in others (when wanting to charge a second battery for example).
An external charger is still available as a separate purchase, and the latest versions are USB-C based as well, with a fast charging unit, and a separate battery-charger module that uses USB-C as its power input (from that fast charger unit, or any other USB-C power source)
(You can buy the USB-C powered battery charger separate as well, much cheaper without the fast-charge power-brick)
BTW:
Mike told me the thing that blew him away was fast and accurate focusing. AF-S as wel as AF-C (tracking)
(Note that he IS a Pentax ambassador, so slightly biassed I guess, but I’ll take his word for it on any day)
On 3/31/2021 3:43 AM, Toine wrote:
2000 That hurts!
The most amazing part: a battery charger is not included. Charging
from USB C only.
Not to mention the fixed LCD screen.
Jan van Wijk; https://www.dfsee.com/gallery
Am 01.04.21 um 16:02 schrieb pentax@dfsee.com:
The actual battery charge-circuitry is now built-in to the camera itself, which is an advantage in some situations, but less so in others
I think this deserves the grand prize for the most idiotic idea of all
times. So, once the battery is empty, I put the camera aside for the
time it takes to recharge and then I can use it again?
For many years, the solution of recharging spare batteries outside of
the camera seemed to me to be the only sensible way. Even my car has a
230 volt socket, so I can use the supplied Pentax battery charger on the
road.
Or what am I getting wrong here?
Ralf
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