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Toine
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 4:10 PM
After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
AC
Alan C
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 4:16 PM
After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
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This:
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6629384105/fujifilm-finepix-s1-is-worlds-first-weather-resistant-superzoom#specs
My wife has an older one (without RAW) but it performs very well.
Alan C
On 03-Apr-21 06:10 PM, Toine wrote:
> After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
> body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
> for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
> birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
> strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
> Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
> Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
>
> Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
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John Francis
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 5:54 PM
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 06:10:41PM +0200, Toine wrote:
After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
Yep- that's about where I am. Except I'm thinking about possibly going
totally to an Olympuus-based system, which would probably end up closer
to $7000+ That would mean I'd have a lot of Pentax gear I could sell...
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 06:10:41PM +0200, Toine wrote:
> After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
> body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
> for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
> birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
> strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
> Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
> Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
Yep- that's about where I am. Except I'm thinking about possibly going
totally to an Olympuus-based system, which would probably end up closer
to $7000+ That would mean I'd have a lot of Pentax gear I could sell...
LC
Larry Colen
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 6:10 PM
On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Toine toine@repiuk.nl wrote:
After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
I had a Lumix FZ50 which I absolutely loved in many respects. For one, it handled just like an SLR. There are certain advantages to the electronic viewfinder, like being able to see the histogram in real time. There were also certain disadvantages, and one day of shooting I switched between the FZ50 and my SRT-101 and the optical viewfinder was incredibly spacious and easier to see through. EVF technology has improved, and in low light it is easier to manually focus with an EVF than an optical.
I went from that to the K100, which by today’s standards had abysmal high ISO performance, but even so compared to the FZ50 it was like night and day. I had considered that replacing my stolen FZ50 might be an economical alternative to a long lens, but then I found an amazing deal on a used bigma.
I would suggest getting a bridge camera, initially, as a supplement to your DSLR. There are many cases where they do well, and others where they do not. Sensor performance is roughly the square of the sensor size and lens weight is roughly the cube of sensor size. This leads into some interesting calculus for the optimal sensor size balancing performance and weight, but the bridge cameras tend to be closer to cell phone sensors than DSLR. If you get a bridge camera, you cannot upgrade the sensor without replacing the glass. On the other hand they can optimize everything to work together and you are also much less likely to get dust on the sensor.
I was seriously considering looking into micro 4/3 (like John is fond of) as something to carry on my bicycle. The other advantage of u4/3 is that you can get adapters to use pretty much any 35mm system lens ever made, albeit in manual focus.
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> On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Toine <toine@repiuk.nl> wrote:
>
> After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
> body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
> for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
> birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
> strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
> Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
> Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
>
> Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
I had a Lumix FZ50 which I absolutely loved in many respects. For one, it handled just like an SLR. There are certain advantages to the electronic viewfinder, like being able to see the histogram in real time. There were also certain disadvantages, and one day of shooting I switched between the FZ50 and my SRT-101 and the optical viewfinder was incredibly spacious and easier to see through. EVF technology has improved, and in low light it is easier to manually focus with an EVF than an optical.
I went from that to the K100, which by today’s standards had abysmal high ISO performance, but even so compared to the FZ50 it was like night and day. I had considered that replacing my stolen FZ50 might be an economical alternative to a long lens, but then I found an amazing deal on a used bigma.
I would suggest getting a bridge camera, initially, as a supplement to your DSLR. There are many cases where they do well, and others where they do not. Sensor performance is roughly the square of the sensor size and lens weight is roughly the cube of sensor size. This leads into some interesting calculus for the optimal sensor size balancing performance and weight, but the bridge cameras tend to be closer to cell phone sensors than DSLR. If you get a bridge camera, you cannot upgrade the sensor without replacing the glass. On the other hand they can optimize everything to work together and you are also much less likely to get dust on the sensor.
I was seriously considering looking into micro 4/3 (like John is fond of) as something to carry on my bicycle. The other advantage of u4/3 is that you can get adapters to use pretty much any 35mm system lens ever made, albeit in manual focus.
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Toine
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 6:32 PM
I'm very seriously thinking about a nikon p950 or sony rx10iv for long
walks. The p950 is very tempting, the sony has about the same range as my
da300 and tc. Probably the best image quality. So yes an addition to the
dslr.
On Sat, 3 Apr 2021, 20:10 Larry Colen, lrc@red4est.com wrote:
On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Toine toine@repiuk.nl wrote:
After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
I had a Lumix FZ50 which I absolutely loved in many respects. For one, it
handled just like an SLR. There are certain advantages to the electronic
viewfinder, like being able to see the histogram in real time. There were
also certain disadvantages, and one day of shooting I switched between the
FZ50 and my SRT-101 and the optical viewfinder was incredibly spacious and
easier to see through. EVF technology has improved, and in low light it is
easier to manually focus with an EVF than an optical.
I went from that to the K100, which by today’s standards had abysmal high
ISO performance, but even so compared to the FZ50 it was like night and
day. I had considered that replacing my stolen FZ50 might be an economical
alternative to a long lens, but then I found an amazing deal on a used
bigma.
I would suggest getting a bridge camera, initially, as a supplement to
your DSLR. There are many cases where they do well, and others where they
do not. Sensor performance is roughly the square of the sensor size and
lens weight is roughly the cube of sensor size. This leads into some
interesting calculus for the optimal sensor size balancing performance and
weight, but the bridge cameras tend to be closer to cell phone sensors than
DSLR. If you get a bridge camera, you cannot upgrade the sensor without
replacing the glass. On the other hand they can optimize everything to
work together and you are also much less likely to get dust on the sensor.
I was seriously considering looking into micro 4/3 (like John is fond of)
as something to carry on my bicycle. The other advantage of u4/3 is that
you can get adapters to use pretty much any 35mm system lens ever made,
albeit in manual focus.
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I'm very seriously thinking about a nikon p950 or sony rx10iv for long
walks. The p950 is very tempting, the sony has about the same range as my
da300 and tc. Probably the best image quality. So yes an addition to the
dslr.
On Sat, 3 Apr 2021, 20:10 Larry Colen, <lrc@red4est.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Toine <toine@repiuk.nl> wrote:
> >
> > After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
> > body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
> > for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
> > birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
> > strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
> > Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
> > Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
> >
> > Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
>
> I had a Lumix FZ50 which I absolutely loved in many respects. For one, it
> handled just like an SLR. There are certain advantages to the electronic
> viewfinder, like being able to see the histogram in real time. There were
> also certain disadvantages, and one day of shooting I switched between the
> FZ50 and my SRT-101 and the optical viewfinder was incredibly spacious and
> easier to see through. EVF technology has improved, and in low light it is
> easier to manually focus with an EVF than an optical.
>
> I went from that to the K100, which by today’s standards had abysmal high
> ISO performance, but even so compared to the FZ50 it was like night and
> day. I had considered that replacing my stolen FZ50 might be an economical
> alternative to a long lens, but then I found an amazing deal on a used
> bigma.
>
> I would suggest getting a bridge camera, initially, as a supplement to
> your DSLR. There are many cases where they do well, and others where they
> do not. Sensor performance is roughly the square of the sensor size and
> lens weight is roughly the cube of sensor size. This leads into some
> interesting calculus for the optimal sensor size balancing performance and
> weight, but the bridge cameras tend to be closer to cell phone sensors than
> DSLR. If you get a bridge camera, you cannot upgrade the sensor without
> replacing the glass. On the other hand they can optimize everything to
> work together and you are also much less likely to get dust on the sensor.
>
> I was seriously considering looking into micro 4/3 (like John is fond of)
> as something to carry on my bicycle. The other advantage of u4/3 is that
> you can get adapters to use pretty much any 35mm system lens ever made,
> albeit in manual focus.
>
>
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Bob Pdml
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 6:47 PM
I was seriously considering looking into micro 4/3 (like John is fond of) as something to carry on my bicycle. The other advantage of u4/3 is that you can get adapters to use pretty much any 35mm system lens ever made, albeit in manual focus.
The perfect camera kit for cycling is available from the same outlets as the perfect camera bag...
On 3 Apr 2021, at 19:10, Larry Colen <lrc@red4est.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was seriously considering looking into micro 4/3 (like John is fond of) as something to carry on my bicycle. The other advantage of u4/3 is that you can get adapters to use pretty much any 35mm system lens ever made, albeit in manual focus.
The perfect camera kit for cycling is available from the same outlets as the perfect camera bag...
J
John
Sat, Apr 3, 2021 8:02 PM
On 4/3/2021 14:47:14, Bob Pdml wrote:
I was seriously considering looking into micro 4/3 (like John is fond of)
as something to carry on my bicycle. The other advantage of u4/3 is that
you can get adapters to use pretty much any 35mm system lens ever made,
albeit in manual focus.
The perfect camera kit for cycling is available from the same outlets as the
perfect camera bag...
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On 4/3/2021 14:47:14, Bob Pdml wrote:
> On 3 Apr 2021, at 19:10, Larry Colen <lrc@red4est.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was seriously considering looking into micro 4/3 (like John is fond of)
>> as something to carry on my bicycle. The other advantage of u4/3 is that
>> you can get adapters to use pretty much any 35mm system lens ever made,
>> albeit in manual focus.
>
> The perfect camera kit for cycling is available from the same outlets as the
> perfect camera bag...
>
>
> --
Let us know if you ever find one. We're all waiting with "baited" breath.
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HT
Henk Terhell
Wed, Apr 7, 2021 10:00 AM
I have been considering the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ2000. It may not have
a extremely long reach (24-480 mm), but it has a 1 inch sensor that is
much improvement compared to those of standard compact camera's.
On the other hand, it means I would no longer take along my Pentax
DSLR's which, though heavier to carry, will surely give better results
for landscapes.
Henk
Op 2021-04-03 om 18:10 schreef Toine:
After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
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I have been considering the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ2000. It may not have
a extremely long reach (24-480 mm), but it has a 1 inch sensor that is
much improvement compared to those of standard compact camera's.
On the other hand, it means I would no longer take along my Pentax
DSLR's which, though heavier to carry, will surely give better results
for landscapes.
Henk
Op 2021-04-03 om 18:10 schreef Toine:
> After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
> body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
> for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
> birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
> strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
> Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
> Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
>
> Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
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Toine
Wed, Apr 7, 2021 10:21 AM
A Coolpix P950 is on it's way. In a few days I will know if it was my
best or my worst idea.
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 12:00, Henk Terhell hterhell@chello.nl wrote:
I have been considering the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ2000. It may not have
a extremely long reach (24-480 mm), but it has a 1 inch sensor that is
much improvement compared to those of standard compact camera's.
On the other hand, it means I would no longer take along my Pentax
DSLR's which, though heavier to carry, will surely give better results
for landscapes.
Henk
Op 2021-04-03 om 18:10 schreef Toine:
After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
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A Coolpix P950 is on it's way. In a few days I will know if it was my
best or my worst idea.
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 12:00, Henk Terhell <hterhell@chello.nl> wrote:
>
> I have been considering the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ2000. It may not have
> a extremely long reach (24-480 mm), but it has a 1 inch sensor that is
> much improvement compared to those of standard compact camera's.
> On the other hand, it means I would no longer take along my Pentax
> DSLR's which, though heavier to carry, will surely give better results
> for landscapes.
>
> Henk
>
> Op 2021-04-03 om 18:10 schreef Toine:
> > After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
> > body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
> > for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
> > birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
> > strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
> > Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
> > Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
> >
> > Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
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Toine
Sat, Apr 10, 2021 8:11 AM
The P950 arrived yesterday evening. It's a very ugly contraption and
feels like a plastic toy of 1 kg. Charged the battery and this morning
the first test shots at the worst conditions possible (grey, drizzle,
dark) which required high iso (800-1600) and slow shutter speeds (1/60
1/125) at 2000mm and handheld. This is what I got:
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/p950/#&gid=1&pid=006-104-dscn0016
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/p950/#&gid=1&pid=006-103-dscn0036
RAW format and the only edit I applied was hitting auto Tone and auto
WB in lightroom. The most amazing part is the SR at 2000mm handheld
and no CA or purple fringing at 2000mm
Can somebody pinch me I must be dreaming
It's now pouring down so I'll have to wait until it's dry for some
real birding in the field.
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 12:21, Toine toine@repiuk.nl wrote:
A Coolpix P950 is on it's way. In a few days I will know if it was my
best or my worst idea.
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 12:00, Henk Terhell hterhell@chello.nl wrote:
I have been considering the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ2000. It may not have
a extremely long reach (24-480 mm), but it has a 1 inch sensor that is
much improvement compared to those of standard compact camera's.
On the other hand, it means I would no longer take along my Pentax
DSLR's which, though heavier to carry, will surely give better results
for landscapes.
Henk
Op 2021-04-03 om 18:10 schreef Toine:
After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
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The P950 arrived yesterday evening. It's a very ugly contraption and
feels like a plastic toy of 1 kg. Charged the battery and this morning
the first test shots at the worst conditions possible (grey, drizzle,
dark) which required high iso (800-1600) and slow shutter speeds (1/60
1/125) at 2000mm and handheld. This is what I got:
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/p950/#&gid=1&pid=006-104-dscn0016
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/p950/#&gid=1&pid=006-103-dscn0036
RAW format and the only edit I applied was hitting auto Tone and auto
WB in lightroom. The most amazing part is the SR at 2000mm handheld
and no CA or purple fringing at 2000mm
Can somebody pinch me I must be dreaming
It's now pouring down so I'll have to wait until it's dry for some
real birding in the field.
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 12:21, Toine <toine@repiuk.nl> wrote:
>
> A Coolpix P950 is on it's way. In a few days I will know if it was my
> best or my worst idea.
>
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 12:00, Henk Terhell <hterhell@chello.nl> wrote:
> >
> > I have been considering the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ2000. It may not have
> > a extremely long reach (24-480 mm), but it has a 1 inch sensor that is
> > much improvement compared to those of standard compact camera's.
> > On the other hand, it means I would no longer take along my Pentax
> > DSLR's which, though heavier to carry, will surely give better results
> > for landscapes.
> >
> > Henk
> >
> > Op 2021-04-03 om 18:10 schreef Toine:
> > > After realizing my next photo buying frenzy probably involves a $2000
> > > body and if I make that kind of investment also a $2000 LBA 150-450
> > > for serious birding I think I should consider other options for
> > > birding. Also considering the heavy weight lifting for 3-4 hours while
> > > strolling around in the woods. Breaking both my wallet and my back.
> > > Maybe a Superzoom like the Nikon Coolpix P950? I switched from analog
> > > Pentax to digital on the Coolpix 950. Why not switch again to a 950 :)
> > >
> > > Any list wisdom on superzooms which support RAW format?
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