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rrvelar@virginmedia.com
Sun, Apr 25, 2021 5:08 PM
Bill wrote:
The DFA* 50/1.4 was apparently too expensive, but the first 2 runs presold
prior to release.
As was, and did, the DFA* 85/1.4, and it was goofy expensive.
I'm not sure about the 70-210/4. It certainly didn't generate the buzz, but
it also isn't really a Pentax lens.
I agree that this will be tha fate of a K1III. I expect the 21Ltd will also
presell its first run, and quite possibly its second. Not a bad fate.
I'm not so hopeful about the updated 31, 43 and 77, though if they had put
them in new bodies with PLM autofocus motors they might have been onto
something. I'm not sure if new coatings and curved aperture blades are quite
enough. I really think they should have waited until after the 21Ltd, and
then given the legacy trio more than new lipstick.
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I had a demonstration of the DFA*50/1.4 just before lockdown. From time to
time it gets discounted and the next time it does, I'll have one. I very
nearly walked out of the shop with one at the time.
My Limited collection is all under 4 years old and they will have to last
for many years. I would like to add the 20-40mm lens to the set.
Malcolm
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Bill wrote:
The DFA* 50/1.4 was apparently too expensive, but the first 2 runs presold
prior to release.
As was, and did, the DFA* 85/1.4, and it was goofy expensive.
I'm not sure about the 70-210/4. It certainly didn't generate the buzz, but
it also isn't really a Pentax lens.
I agree that this will be tha fate of a K1III. I expect the 21Ltd will also
presell its first run, and quite possibly its second. Not a bad fate.
I'm not so hopeful about the updated 31, 43 and 77, though if they had put
them in new bodies with PLM autofocus motors they might have been onto
something. I'm not sure if new coatings and curved aperture blades are quite
enough. I really think they should have waited until after the 21Ltd, and
then given the legacy trio more than new lipstick.
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I had a demonstration of the DFA*50/1.4 just before lockdown. From time to
time it gets discounted and the next time it does, I'll have one. I very
nearly walked out of the shop with one at the time.
My Limited collection is all under 4 years old and they will have to last
for many years. I would like to add the 20-40mm lens to the set.
Malcolm
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Bill
Sun, Apr 25, 2021 5:16 PM
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I had a demonstration of the DFA*50/1.4 just before lockdown. From time to
time it gets discounted and the next time it does, I'll have one. I very
nearly walked out of the shop with one at the time.
My Limited collection is all under 4 years old and they will have to last
for many years. I would like to add the 20-40mm lens to the set.
Malcolm
I had the DFA*50/1.4 for several days prior to it's official release.
Apparently someone at Ricoh still loves me for being a one man profit
center for Pentax.
You won't regret it if standard lenses on full frame or short teles on
APS-C are your thing.
The DA20-40 was the best lens I never liked. I had one, more because it
said Pentax on it than for any pressing need, but I never really fell
for it. It is an excellent lens though, it just wasn't for me.
bill
On 4/25/2021 11:08 AM, rrvelar@virginmedia.com wrote:
>
>
> ===============================================
>
> I had a demonstration of the DFA*50/1.4 just before lockdown. From time to
> time it gets discounted and the next time it does, I'll have one. I very
> nearly walked out of the shop with one at the time.
>
> My Limited collection is all under 4 years old and they will have to last
> for many years. I would like to add the 20-40mm lens to the set.
>
> Malcolm
>
>
I had the DFA*50/1.4 for several days prior to it's official release.
Apparently someone at Ricoh still loves me for being a one man profit
center for Pentax.
You won't regret it if standard lenses on full frame or short teles on
APS-C are your thing.
The DA20-40 was the best lens I never liked. I had one, more because it
said Pentax on it than for any pressing need, but I never really fell
for it. It is an excellent lens though, it just wasn't for me.
bill
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rrvelar@virginmedia.com
Sun, Apr 25, 2021 5:26 PM
Bill wrote:
I had the DFA*50/1.4 for several days prior to it's official release.
Apparently someone at Ricoh still loves me for being a one man profit center
for Pentax.
You won't regret it if standard lenses on full frame or short teles on APS-C
are your thing.
The DA20-40 was the best lens I never liked. I had one, more because it said
Pentax on it than for any pressing need, but I never really fell for it. It
is an excellent lens though, it just wasn't for me.
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I tried it on a K3ii & a K1. Loved it on the K1 despite (or perhaps because
of) the combination weighing 2Kg as near as could be. It felt a really solid
combination as well it should.
I do a lot of 'walkabout' photography and the 20-40mm would be useful. The
K3iii on arrival will be matched with a 16-85mm WR to begin with.
Malcolm
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Bill wrote:
I had the DFA*50/1.4 for several days prior to it's official release.
Apparently someone at Ricoh still loves me for being a one man profit center
for Pentax.
You won't regret it if standard lenses on full frame or short teles on APS-C
are your thing.
The DA20-40 was the best lens I never liked. I had one, more because it said
Pentax on it than for any pressing need, but I never really fell for it. It
is an excellent lens though, it just wasn't for me.
==============================================
I tried it on a K3ii & a K1. Loved it on the K1 despite (or perhaps because
of) the combination weighing 2Kg as near as could be. It felt a really solid
combination as well it should.
I do a lot of 'walkabout' photography and the 20-40mm would be useful. The
K3iii on arrival will be matched with a 16-85mm WR to begin with.
Malcolm
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Bill
Sun, Apr 25, 2021 5:31 PM
I tried it on a K3ii & a K1. Loved it on the K1 despite (or perhaps because
of) the combination weighing 2Kg as near as could be. It felt a really solid
combination as well it should.
I do a lot of 'walkabout' photography and the 20-40mm would be useful. The
K3iii on arrival will be matched with a 16-85mm WR to begin with.
Malcolm
I could see the 20-40 being ideal for that.
bill
On 4/25/2021 11:26 AM, rrvelar@virginmedia.com wrote:
>
> I tried it on a K3ii & a K1. Loved it on the K1 despite (or perhaps because
> of) the combination weighing 2Kg as near as could be. It felt a really solid
> combination as well it should.
Check this out. Shot with the D FA*50/1.4
https://flic.kr/p/2kJFZ77
bill
>
> I do a lot of 'walkabout' photography and the 20-40mm would be useful. The
> K3iii on arrival will be matched with a 16-85mm WR to begin with.
>
> Malcolm
>
>
I could see the 20-40 being ideal for that.
bill
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Paul Stenquist
Sun, Apr 25, 2021 5:32 PM
I’m thinking the K3 iii might be a good choice for me to supplement the K1. I had planned on waiting for the K1 iii, but the APSC camera might be better fir bird photography. The Nikon D500 seems to be the first choice of birders currently. Long reach, quick autofocus and modest weight.
Paul
On Apr 25, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/25/2021 11:08 AM, rrvelar@virginmedia.com wrote:
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I had a demonstration of the DFA*50/1.4 just before lockdown. From time to
time it gets discounted and the next time it does, I'll have one. I very
nearly walked out of the shop with one at the time.
My Limited collection is all under 4 years old and they will have to last
for many years. I would like to add the 20-40mm lens to the set.
Malcolm
I had the DFA*50/1.4 for several days prior to it's official release. Apparently someone at Ricoh still loves me for being a one man profit center for Pentax.
You won't regret it if standard lenses on full frame or short teles on APS-C are your thing.
The DA20-40 was the best lens I never liked. I had one, more because it said Pentax on it than for any pressing need, but I never really fell for it. It is an excellent lens though, it just wasn't for me.
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I’m thinking the K3 iii might be a good choice for me to supplement the K1. I had planned on waiting for the K1 iii, but the APSC camera might be better fir bird photography. The Nikon D500 seems to be the first choice of birders currently. Long reach, quick autofocus and modest weight.
Paul
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 4/25/2021 11:08 AM, rrvelar@virginmedia.com wrote:
>>
>> ===============================================
>> I had a demonstration of the DFA*50/1.4 just before lockdown. From time to
>> time it gets discounted and the next time it does, I'll have one. I very
>> nearly walked out of the shop with one at the time.
>> My Limited collection is all under 4 years old and they will have to last
>> for many years. I would like to add the 20-40mm lens to the set.
>> Malcolm
>
> I had the DFA*50/1.4 for several days prior to it's official release. Apparently someone at Ricoh still loves me for being a one man profit center for Pentax.
> You won't regret it if standard lenses on full frame or short teles on APS-C are your thing.
> The DA20-40 was the best lens I never liked. I had one, more because it said Pentax on it than for any pressing need, but I never really fell for it. It is an excellent lens though, it just wasn't for me.
>
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Bill
Sun, Apr 25, 2021 5:52 PM
On 4/25/2021 11:32 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I’m thinking the K3 iii might be a good choice for me to supplement the K1. I had planned on waiting for the K1 iii, but the APSC camera might be better fir bird photography. The Nikon D500 seems to be the first choice of birders currently. Long reach, quick autofocus and modest weight.
Paul
Pentax has made it pretty plain that the D500 was solidly in their
cross-hairs with the K3III. Combine it with the 150-450 and you've got a
good combination, with the 560/5.6 available if more reach is desired.
I've seen some bird on the wing images from the K3III, and the AF looks
to be pretty impressive.
I think when the hands on reviews start coming out, the K3III is going
to stack up right at the top of the APS-C heap.
I'm seeing a lot of the old Pentax passion manifesting itself in the
recent Ricoh product handling.
As an aside, apparently the DA 1.4x teleconverter is pretty darned good
as well, and supports autofocus, which should be a real boon for birders
looking to extend their lenses.
bill
On 4/25/2021 11:32 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> I’m thinking the K3 iii might be a good choice for me to supplement the K1. I had planned on waiting for the K1 iii, but the APSC camera might be better fir bird photography. The Nikon D500 seems to be the first choice of birders currently. Long reach, quick autofocus and modest weight.
>
> Paul
Pentax has made it pretty plain that the D500 was solidly in their
cross-hairs with the K3III. Combine it with the 150-450 and you've got a
good combination, with the 560/5.6 available if more reach is desired.
I've seen some bird on the wing images from the K3III, and the AF looks
to be pretty impressive.
I think when the hands on reviews start coming out, the K3III is going
to stack up right at the top of the APS-C heap.
I'm seeing a lot of the old Pentax passion manifesting itself in the
recent Ricoh product handling.
As an aside, apparently the DA 1.4x teleconverter is pretty darned good
as well, and supports autofocus, which should be a real boon for birders
looking to extend their lenses.
bill
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Larry Colen
Sun, Apr 25, 2021 6:02 PM
On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:
Canon will, in all likelihood drop the EF mount entirely in favor of the RF mount, forcing EF users into using their lenses on adapters in much the same way Pentax forced M42 users into adapters with the K mount, and probably forcing users to buy new lenses to get full functionality.
Or, even more like they way they dropped the FD mount when they went auto focus.
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> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Canon will, in all likelihood drop the EF mount entirely in favor of the RF mount, forcing EF users into using their lenses on adapters in much the same way Pentax forced M42 users into adapters with the K mount, and probably forcing users to buy new lenses to get full functionality.
Or, even more like they way they dropped the FD mount when they went auto focus.
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Henk Terhell
Sun, Apr 25, 2021 6:46 PM
Op 2021-04-25 om 18:51 schreef Bill:
Their last what could be called budget lenses date from 2016 with the
DFA 28-105 and DFA55-300.
Pentax doesn't have to play the go big or go home game that seems to
rule American led capitalism. All they have to do is stay in their
niche, let the big boys punch each other in their faces and catch
their abandoned customers as they walk away from the hamster wheels
they have been on for the past 35 years.
bill
DA 55-300 PLM you mean. I have just ordered one.
I had to return a recently bought second hand DA 550-300 WR to the shop
in view of poor sharpness that I couldn't correct in-camera.
Hopefully I will have more luck with the PLM version though I can't use
it on the K-5.
I have no interest in most limited lenses (too much trouble changing in
the field) and I own only the DA 21 that I'm very rarely using.
So if this is the only route Pentax Ricoh is following on lenses there
will be not much left to choose from.
And there will be no alternative Tamrons and Sigmas but only the manual
third party lenses around.
This and the fact that the choice of camera models is steadily reducing
when the KP is gone, makes it more and more attractive for Pentax users
to step out of the hamster wheels.
However, it would not surprise me if a follow-up of the K70 with flip
screen(!) and some of the improvements of the K3 3 will suddenly appear
on the market.
Henk
Op 2021-04-25 om 18:51 schreef Bill:
>
> Their last what could be called budget lenses date from 2016 with the
> DFA 28-105 and DFA55-300.
>
> Pentax doesn't have to play the go big or go home game that seems to
> rule American led capitalism. All they have to do is stay in their
> niche, let the big boys punch each other in their faces and catch
> their abandoned customers as they walk away from the hamster wheels
> they have been on for the past 35 years.
>
> bill
>
DA 55-300 PLM you mean. I have just ordered one.
I had to return a recently bought second hand DA 550-300 WR to the shop
in view of poor sharpness that I couldn't correct in-camera.
Hopefully I will have more luck with the PLM version though I can't use
it on the K-5.
I have no interest in most limited lenses (too much trouble changing in
the field) and I own only the DA 21 that I'm very rarely using.
So if this is the only route Pentax Ricoh is following on lenses there
will be not much left to choose from.
And there will be no alternative Tamrons and Sigmas but only the manual
third party lenses around.
This and the fact that the choice of camera models is steadily reducing
when the KP is gone, makes it more and more attractive for Pentax users
to step out of the hamster wheels.
However, it would not surprise me if a follow-up of the K70 with flip
screen(!) and some of the improvements of the K3 3 will suddenly appear
on the market.
Henk
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Bill
Sun, Apr 25, 2021 8:32 PM
On 4/25/2021 12:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:
Canon will, in all likelihood drop the EF mount entirely in favor of the RF mount, forcing EF users into using their lenses on adapters in much the same way Pentax forced M42 users into adapters with the K mount, and probably forcing users to buy new lenses to get full functionality.
Or, even more like they way they dropped the FD mount when they went auto focus.
The RF mount is pretty much a short registration distance EF mount.
Canon did a very good job with the EF mount as it has been a very future
proof design.
FWIW, the KAF4 mount has moved in that direction, with a completely
electrical interface between camera and lens. I don't think it will be
quite as reliable as the EF mount.
The adapter will be easy, I think they already have one, unlike adapting
the FD mount to the EF mount, which required an optical adapter.
You could adapt them, but it suddenly put a Coke bottle between the lens
and the film.
Of course, they can drop support via firmware, with future RF bodies
refusing to talk to EF lenses, but I think that might be a bridge too
far, even for them.
bill
On 4/25/2021 12:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Canon will, in all likelihood drop the EF mount entirely in favor of the RF mount, forcing EF users into using their lenses on adapters in much the same way Pentax forced M42 users into adapters with the K mount, and probably forcing users to buy new lenses to get full functionality.
>
> Or, even more like they way they dropped the FD mount when they went auto focus.
The RF mount is pretty much a short registration distance EF mount.
Canon did a very good job with the EF mount as it has been a very future
proof design.
FWIW, the KAF4 mount has moved in that direction, with a completely
electrical interface between camera and lens. I don't think it will be
quite as reliable as the EF mount.
The adapter will be easy, I think they already have one, unlike adapting
the FD mount to the EF mount, which required an optical adapter.
You could adapt them, but it suddenly put a Coke bottle between the lens
and the film.
Of course, they can drop support via firmware, with future RF bodies
refusing to talk to EF lenses, but I think that might be a bridge too
far, even for them.
bill
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rrvelar@virginmedia.com
Mon, Apr 26, 2021 5:30 AM
Bill wrote:
Check this out. Shot with the D FA*50/1.4
https://flic.kr/p/2kJFZ77
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Very nice Bill, just confirms my opinion of it.
Malcolm
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Bill wrote:
Check this out. Shot with the D FA*50/1.4
https://flic.kr/p/2kJFZ77
=============================
Very nice Bill, just confirms my opinion of it.
Malcolm
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