Pentax or Olympus?
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 07:32:50AM +0000, mike wilson wrote:
On 24 November 2021 at 04:47 John Francis johnf@panix.com wrote:
The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).
I was rather curious about this. For decades, Pentax was agreed to be the lightest and petitest of the major manufacturers, generally without a lack of facility. I can remember discussions here about it being one of the attractants. It will be interesting to see if you decide that the saving in mass was worth the expenditure.
Well, a fair bit of the expenditure was already earmarked; the K5 is
getting a bit long in the tooth, so I was considering getting a K3iii.
The big saving in mass comes if I want to use longer focal lengths.
The last time I went to San Diego Wild Animal Park was the first time
I got to use my 250-600, and there were a couple of time when I could
have used something longer. This was back before the days of digital
bodies; I suspect 600mm on an APS-C sensor would be enough. But that
lens weighs something like 12lb; there's no way nowadays I'll want to
lug that around for several hours.
But with the 4/3 sensor I just need to get to 400mm. I'm not planning
on buying Olympus's fancy new ($7,500!) 150-400mm/f4.5 zoom, but I might
consider renting one for a couple of weeks. And that 'only' weighs 4lb.
Still a lot to cart around, but a lot more manageable than 12 lb!
And if I do decide I want my own longer lens Olympus have another way
to get there - they have an older 100-400/f5.0-6.3 which is a lot lighter
(on both the wallet and the shoulders); I would think I should be able to
sell my 250-600 for more than enough to cover the purchase of that lens.
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The pana leica 100-400 is light as a feather (almost), sharp and a
very nice macro lens for critters. M43 has autocorrect enabled for RAW
which hides CA and purple fringing (if you pixelpeep the corrections
are slightly visisble). The most amazing part is the fast if not
instant focus, bird recognition and stunning dual SR from the lens and
body.
I plan to get the leica macro, on a tripod you get focus bracketing
and touch focus (touch the screen = sets the focus point and starts
the focus bracketing. In post pick the best focus point!
On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 21:00, John Francis johnf@panix.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 07:32:50AM +0000, mike wilson wrote:
On 24 November 2021 at 04:47 John Francis johnf@panix.com wrote:
The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).I was rather curious about this. For decades, Pentax was agreed to be the lightest and petitest of the major manufacturers, generally without a lack of facility. I can remember discussions here about it being one of the attractants. It will be interesting to see if you decide that the saving in mass was worth the expenditure.
Well, a fair bit of the expenditure was already earmarked; the K5 is
getting a bit long in the tooth, so I was considering getting a K3iii.
The big saving in mass comes if I want to use longer focal lengths.
The last time I went to San Diego Wild Animal Park was the first time
I got to use my 250-600, and there were a couple of time when I could
have used something longer. This was back before the days of digital
bodies; I suspect 600mm on an APS-C sensor would be enough. But that
lens weighs something like 12lb; there's no way nowadays I'll want to
lug that around for several hours.
But with the 4/3 sensor I just need to get to 400mm. I'm not planning
on buying Olympus's fancy new ($7,500!) 150-400mm/f4.5 zoom, but I might
consider renting one for a couple of weeks. And that 'only' weighs 4lb.
Still a lot to cart around, but a lot more manageable than 12 lb!
And if I do decide I want my own longer lens Olympus have another way
to get there - they have an older 100-400/f5.0-6.3 which is a lot lighter
(on both the wallet and the shoulders); I would think I should be able to
sell my 250-600 for more than enough to cover the purchase of that lens.
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On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 09:27:33AM +0000, Bob Pdml wrote:
On 24 Nov 2021, at 07:32, mike wilson m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com wrote:
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On 24 November 2021 at 04:47 John Francis johnf@panix.com wrote:
The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).
I was rather curious about this. For decades, Pentax was agreed to be the lightest and petitest of the major manufacturers, generally without a lack of facility. I can remember discussions here about it being one of the attractants. It will be interesting to see if you decide that the saving in mass was worth the expenditure.
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A few months ago I bought a used Panasonic GX8 as a second body alongside my Olympus E-M1 Mk II. It was like new with only about seven hundred shutter clicks, and was about half the price I???d seen advertised elsewhere.
It very quickly became the camera I reach for first as it???s much, much smaller, lighter and more simple than the Oly. I subsequently bought some used and cosmetically ugly, but optically sound, Panasonic lenses (12-35/2.8, 35-100/2.8) which are much lighter and easier to handle than the M.Zuiko 12-40/2.8, and a new 50/1.7.
I like this kit so much that I???ve bought a second mint GX8, with even fewer shutter clicks (just over 400) than the other one, at an even lower price, and plan to sell the E-M1 and that lens, along with a few other bits of Olympus kit.
I realise the GX8 is probably not the camera for someone like John, but for me it???s a really good find.
Hello again, by the way. I seem to have gone awol from the PDML for a couple of months, but messages started coming through again yesterday.
Hello again, Bob - I was wondering where you had vanished to.
Thanks for the recommendation for the GX8 - I'll take a look at that one.
I'm anticipating buying a new smaller camera to replace my wife's E-PL1
(while that camera still works just fine, sensor technology has made a
few steps forwards since then). I hadn't got round to taking much of a
look to see what's out there except seeing what the current E-PL## was;
it will probably be 6-12 months before we go anywhere my wife needs a
new camera (the hard date is early 2022, when the US National Figure
Skating Championships returns to San Jose - the last time that this
happened was when she got the E-PL1). But it occurred to me that I
might also want to consider whatever we end up buying as an everyday
camera just to have with me.
If anyone is interested, I have a Panasonic GX9 that I hardly use. It’s a nice camera, but I have too many. 😉😉
Lmk.
G
I'm interested. It would need shipping to the netherlands.
toine@repiuk.nl
On Wed, 24 Nov 2021, 21:38 Godfrey DiGiorgi, godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:
If anyone is interested, I have a Panasonic GX9 that I hardly use. It’s a
nice camera, but I have too many. 😉😉
Lmk.
G
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The Olympus is micro 4/3 format.
I believe Pentax is still has the lightest, most petite APS-C cameras
and the K-1 may be the lightest "35mm" Full-frame.
Plus the OM-D is mirrorless. No mirror box. Not even a tiny micro 4/3
mirror box.
Going the other way, I actually find the Pentax bodies a bit smallish
for my clumsy hands if I don't have the battery grips installed.
The one Olympus item I am considering is their EE-1 Dot Sight that
mounts on the hot shoe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlzoU7KhZro
On 11/24/2021 2:32 AM, mike wilson wrote:
On 24 November 2021 at 04:47 John Francis johnf@panix.com wrote:
The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).
I was rather curious about this. For decades, Pentax was agreed to be the lightest and petitest of the major manufacturers, generally without a lack of facility. I can remember discussions here about it being one of the attractants. It will be interesting to see if you decide that the saving in mass was worth the expenditure.
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So, "Never can have too many ..." only applies to lenses?
On 11/24/2021 3:38 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
If anyone is interested, I have a Panasonic GX9 that I hardly use. It’s a nice camera, but I have too many. 😉😉
Lmk.
G
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On Nov 25, 2021, at 12:18 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:
The one Olympus item I am considering is their EE-1 Dot Sight that mounts on the hot shoe.
This can be a handy solution both for birding and for astro work.
At one point I had things set up with a cheap red dot sight:
https://www.amazon.com/Daisy-Electric-Airsoft-Point-Sight/dp/B000N8KHQG
Using a hot shoe to gun sight adapter
https://www.amazon.com/Higoo-Universal-Camera-Adapter-Optics/dp/B075D3BCF8
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/709070-mount-red-dot-finder-to-dslr-hot-shoe/
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4178785
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On Nov 24, 2021, at 12:15 PM, John Francis johnf@panix.com wrote:
A few months ago I bought a used Panasonic GX8 as a second body alongside my Olympus E-M1 Mk II. It was like new with only about seven hundred shutter clicks, and was about half the price I???d seen advertised elsewhere.
It very quickly became the camera I reach for first as it???s much, much smaller, lighter and more simple than the Oly. I subsequently bought some used and cosmetically ugly, but optically sound, Panasonic lenses (12-35/2.8, 35-100/2.8) which are much lighter and easier to handle than the M.Zuiko 12-40/2.8, and a new 50/1.7.
I like this kit so much that I???ve bought a second mint GX8, with even fewer shutter clicks (just over 400) than the other one, at an even lower price, and plan to sell the E-M1 and that lens, along with a few other bits of Olympus kit.
I realise the GX8 is probably not the camera for someone like John, but for me it???s a really good find.
Hello again, by the way. I seem to have gone awol from the PDML for a couple of months, but messages started coming through again yesterday.
Hello again, Bob - I was wondering where you had vanished to.
Thanks for the recommendation for the GX8 - I'll take a look at that one.
I'm anticipating buying a new smaller camera to replace my wife's E-PL1
(while that camera still works just fine, sensor technology has made a
few steps forwards since then). I hadn't got round to taking much of a
look to see what's out there except seeing what the current E-PL## was;
it will probably be 6-12 months before we go anywhere my wife needs a
new camera (the hard date is early 2022, when the US National Figure
Skating Championships returns to San Jose - the last time that this
happened was when she got the E-PL1). But it occurred to me that I
might also want to consider whatever we end up buying as an everyday
camera just to have with me.
Something that appeals to me about the u4/3 system is the diversity of bodies available for it. You could go full OMD acts like an SLR when you want all the things, or a more minimalist body when what you most want is it being light weight. I can see a lot of appeal to an OMD with one of the 25mm f/0.9 lenses.
I was given an u4/3 body a while back and a couple of lenses, and it is enough to make me wish I had the budget for a u4/3 lightweight system. Unfortunately the body I have is so damned point and shoot and helpful that it’s damn near impossible to use. Also the internal battery is dead so every time you change the battery you have to reset the clock.
Oops, that reminds me I didn’t take my cameras off of DST, need to go do that now.
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Main benefit for the Olympus is it doesn't require any kind of adapter.
Stick it on top, turn it on, EASILY align it for the lens I'm using. And
EASILY change the alignment if I change lenses ...
IF I pay attention, I can write down the settings and already know the
alignment for each of the lenses I might want to use it with; mount the
lens & set the dials accordingly to get the same setup every time.
Not sure it would work that well (i.e. easily) with sights that require
adapters.
On 11/25/2021 3:28 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Nov 25, 2021, at 12:18 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:
The one Olympus item I am considering is their EE-1 Dot Sight that mounts on the hot shoe.
This can be a handy solution both for birding and for astro work.
At one point I had things set up with a cheap red dot sight:
https://www.amazon.com/Daisy-Electric-Airsoft-Point-Sight/dp/B000N8KHQG
Using a hot shoe to gun sight adapter
https://www.amazon.com/Higoo-Universal-Camera-Adapter-Optics/dp/B075D3BCF8
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/709070-mount-red-dot-finder-to-dslr-hot-shoe/
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4178785
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