Motherboard upgrade: Seeking advice from all (but it's probably gonna be mostly from Larry)
I've been having computer problems that I've traced to the motherboard
(to about 99% certainty) and, as I'm long overdue for an upgrade, I'm
thinking it's time to go for a new motherboard. I'm interested in any
input and recommendations anyone might have to offer. This will be
used for mostly photography work. I've been happy with AMD stuff in
the past but I'm open to Intel-based boards if there's a compelling
reason.
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www.robertstech.com
617-276-7369
I wish I could help, but I haven't been keeping up. I've just been buying used mac gear from a friend with a shop in Santa Cruz (Pacific Macs). A couple other people on the list have built up new machines in the past year and would know better than me what to look for. A while back the mobo in my home Linux box fried, I bought a used mobo from a friend, and then it wouldn't boot off the drives I had or something crazy like that. So what I've mostly learned is weird and unexpected things lose compatibility and you're likely to need to replace half your system for more than the cost of just buying a new system.
In a related note, I recently put together a RAID NAS with "renewed" drives off Amazon. I'm glad that it's RAID, and second level of backup, because last night one of the drives already crapped out. For primary storage it would probably be worth paying $310/drive rather than $170.
On Jun 18, 2024, at 9:08 AM, Mark Roberts postmaster@robertstech.com wrote:
I've been having computer problems that I've traced to the motherboard
(to about 99% certainty) and, as I'm long overdue for an upgrade, I'm
thinking it's time to go for a new motherboard. I'm interested in any
input and recommendations anyone might have to offer. This will be
used for mostly photography work. I've been happy with AMD stuff in
the past but I'm open to Intel-based boards if there's a compelling
reason.
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www.robertstech.com
617-276-7369
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Any major brand is ok (MSI, Asus, Asrock). I would pick Intel, one of the
last generation (13th 14th). i7 is fast enough, i9 runs very hot and
needs max power. add 32Gb Ram or more. I would go for a liquid cooler on an
i7 or i9. Peak power is simply too much for most air coolers (I ruined an
i7 on aircooling). BeQuiet power supplies, aircoolers and system cabinets
run very quietly. Last but not least: add a nvidia GPU, something like a
RTX 3060 at minimum. Lightroom, photoshop etc all use the GPU. Denoise
drops from 9 minutes to 9 sec on an rtx3060
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 at 18:08, Mark Roberts postmaster@robertstech.com
wrote:
I've been having computer problems that I've traced to the motherboard
(to about 99% certainty) and, as I'm long overdue for an upgrade, I'm
thinking it's time to go for a new motherboard. I'm interested in any
input and recommendations anyone might have to offer. This will be
used for mostly photography work. I've been happy with AMD stuff in
the past but I'm open to Intel-based boards if there's a compelling
reason.
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www.robertstech.com
617-276-7369
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Yeah, I would expect that a new GPU would give you the most bang for your buck.
If you can upgrade the CPU without upgrading your MOBO, that would give a good boost with less risk of finding out that your new mobo doesn't support some bus that one of your old cards needs, or suchlike.
It would be very interesting if you could do some sort of benchmark before and after each upgrade. Have lightroom build a 12 frame HDR pano, and then do a denoise on it. Then do the same thing on the same files, each time you upgrade.
I suspect that more memory would make more difference without the GPU, since they often have their own memory.
On Jun 18, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Toine toine@repiuk.nl wrote:
Any major brand is ok (MSI, Asus, Asrock). I would pick Intel, one of the
last generation (13th 14th). i7 is fast enough, i9 runs very hot and
needs max power. add 32Gb Ram or more. I would go for a liquid cooler on an
i7 or i9. Peak power is simply too much for most air coolers (I ruined an
i7 on aircooling). BeQuiet power supplies, aircoolers and system cabinets
run very quietly. Last but not least: add a nvidia GPU, something like a
RTX 3060 at minimum. Lightroom, photoshop etc all use the GPU. Denoise
drops from 9 minutes to 9 sec on an rtx3060
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 at 18:08, Mark Roberts postmaster@robertstech.com
wrote:
I've been having computer problems that I've traced to the motherboard
(to about 99% certainty) and, as I'm long overdue for an upgrade, I'm
thinking it's time to go for a new motherboard. I'm interested in any
input and recommendations anyone might have to offer. This will be
used for mostly photography work. I've been happy with AMD stuff in
the past but I'm open to Intel-based boards if there's a compelling
reason.
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www.robertstech.com
617-276-7369
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On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 10:59:05PM +0200, Toine wrote:
Any major brand is ok (MSI, Asus, Asrock). I would pick Intel, one of the
last generation (13th 14th). i7 is fast enough, i9 runs very hot and
needs max power. add 32Gb Ram or more. I would go for a liquid cooler on an
i7 or i9. Peak power is simply too much for most air coolers (I ruined an
i7 on aircooling). BeQuiet power supplies, aircoolers and system cabinets
run very quietly. Last but not least: add a nvidia GPU, something like a
RTX 3060 at minimum. Lightroom, photoshop etc all use the GPU. Denoise
drops from 9 minutes to 9 sec on an rtx3060
If you do go for a 3060, though, you're definitely going to want good cooling.
On my system (a regular Dell tower with 8 Gen 11 i9 cores and an rtx 3060 Ti)
running the GPU at 30% jumps the reported temperature up from 48c to 68c.
John Francis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 10:59:05PM +0200, Toine wrote:
Last but not least: add a nvidia GPU, something like a
RTX 3060 at minimum. Lightroom, photoshop etc all use the GPU. Denoise
drops from 9 minutes to 9 sec on an rtx3060
If you do go for a 3060, though, you're definitely going to want good cooling.
On my system (a regular Dell tower with 8 Gen 11 i9 cores and an rtx 3060 Ti)
running the GPU at 30% jumps the reported temperature up from 48c to 68c.
After a little research I'm thinking I'll have to settle for less
horsepower than the 3060, for reasons of both heat and noise. I'll
also be recording audio in my computer room and I want as quiet a
system as I can get (I currently have a fanless graphics card).
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www.robertstech.com
I did a new build last year based on a Gigabyte Aorus MB and Aorus video
card. I chose the MB because it supported 4 x M.2 cards on the MB which
are significantly faster than anything going through the SATA buss. The
only other card I attached to the MB is the video card, but there are
many slots available for other stuff.
One thing that surprised me is that the system tests faster with less
ram than I expected, and I ended up installing 64gb of ram instead of
the 128gb that I had initially planned on.
Gigabyte does make some pretty snazzy gear. I did end up with liquid
cooling on the advice of the guy who did the actual build.
So far I'm happy with what I ended up with.
bill
On 6/18/2024 10:08 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
I've been having computer problems that I've traced to the motherboard
(to about 99% certainty) and, as I'm long overdue for an upgrade, I'm
thinking it's time to go for a new motherboard. I'm interested in any
input and recommendations anyone might have to offer. This will be
used for mostly photography work. I've been happy with AMD stuff in
the past but I'm open to Intel-based boards if there's a compelling
reason.
Fanless GPU cards are hard to find, if they exist. 0dB versions are an
alternative. I run an asus 3060 v2 oc 12gb which only spins up the fans if
needed. It runs a 3060 notebook version of the 3060 which has less power
compared to a normal 3060. It only.needs cooling at.full throttle.
Bequiet case, cooler and power supply (also a 0dB version) runs my system
silently on normal workloads.
OC versions of GPU and CPU also allows down clocking and 10% less power is
no noise.
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024, 00:31 Mark Roberts, postmaster@robertstech.com wrote:
John Francis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 10:59:05PM +0200, Toine wrote:
Last but not least: add a nvidia GPU, something like a
RTX 3060 at minimum. Lightroom, photoshop etc all use the GPU. Denoise
drops from 9 minutes to 9 sec on an rtx3060
If you do go for a 3060, though, you're definitely going to want good
cooling.
On my system (a regular Dell tower with 8 Gen 11 i9 cores and an rtx 3060
Ti)
running the GPU at 30% jumps the reported temperature up from 48c to 68c.
After a little research I'm thinking I'll have to settle for less
horsepower than the 3060, for reasons of both heat and noise. I'll
also be recording audio in my computer room and I want as quiet a
system as I can get (I currently have a fanless graphics card).
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So in the end, after doing some research based on input from the PDML,
I bought a motherboard/CPU package and a new graphics board. I spent
several hours today installing the new motherboard (the cooling system
I got for the new CPU, although far from the most extensive available,
is freakin' HUGE!) and graphics card. Here's the most amazing thing:
Windows 10 just booted right up. Yup. Recognized the new hardware and
installed drivers almost instantly. You could have knocked me over
with a feather! It's still early days but I can already tell this is
MUCH faster. Some deconvolution sharpening actions on K-1 files that
used to take minutes now take seconds. Big fun.
Since it's been a loong time since I've refreshed this system (and
I've done too much tinkering in the interim) I'll do an OS refresh and
reinstall apps when I have more free time, just to be safe. But for
now I'm really happy.
Can you post details, my boss would like a faster computer but hates Windows 11.
Related, what's the fastest laptop that runs Windows 10?
On July 5, 2024 2:14:25 PM PDT, Mark Roberts postmaster@robertstech.com wrote:
So in the end, after doing some research based on input from the PDML,
I bought a motherboard/CPU package and a new graphics board. I spent
several hours today installing the new motherboard (the cooling system
I got for the new CPU, although far from the most extensive available,
is freakin' HUGE!) and graphics card. Here's the most amazing thing:
Windows 10 just booted right up. Yup. Recognized the new hardware and
installed drivers almost instantly. You could have knocked me over
with a feather! It's still early days but I can already tell this is
MUCH faster. Some deconvolution sharpening actions on K-1 files that
used to take minutes now take seconds. Big fun.
Since it's been a loong time since I've refreshed this system (and
I've done too much tinkering in the interim) I'll do an OS refresh and
reinstall apps when I have more free time, just to be safe. But for
now I'm really happy.
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