Motherboard upgrade: Seeking advice from all (but it's probably gonna be mostly from Larry)
Upgrading win 10 to 11 is pretty straightforward if I remember correctly.
And the GUI is identical, I don't see why you can hate Win11 and love
Win10. Microsoft is still weeding out old Win10 code and if you deep dive
in the system the old stuff is still running (like control panel, device
manager etc). The Settings app is not my favorite tool to tweak, the same
for Apple OS's settings app (maybe that's improved but my Mac Mini from
2012 is frozen by Apple).
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 at 23:18, lrc@red4est.com wrote:
Can you post details, my boss would like a faster computer but hates
Windows 11.
Related, what's the fastest laptop that runs Windows 10?
On July 5, 2024 2:14:25 PM PDT, Mark Roberts postmaster@robertstech.com
wrote:
So in the end, after doing some research based on input from the PDML,
I bought a motherboard/CPU package and a new graphics board. I spent
several hours today installing the new motherboard (the cooling system
I got for the new CPU, although far from the most extensive available,
is freakin' HUGE!) and graphics card. Here's the most amazing thing:
Windows 10 just booted right up. Yup. Recognized the new hardware and
installed drivers almost instantly. You could have knocked me over
with a feather! It's still early days but I can already tell this is
MUCH faster. Some deconvolution sharpening actions on K-1 files that
used to take minutes now take seconds. Big fun.
Since it's been a loong time since I've refreshed this system (and
I've done too much tinkering in the interim) I'll do an OS refresh and
reinstall apps when I have more free time, just to be safe. But for
now I'm really happy.
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lrc@red4est.com wrote:
Can you post details, my boss would like a faster computer but hates Windows 11.
I don't blame him. The privacy intrusion stuff is enough to keep me
off Win 11. And there are no improvements that are enticing enough to
tempt me. (I'm running the "Open Shell" interface to rid myself of the
wretched Windows 10 interface.)
I went with a Gigabyte B650 Aorus (where do they get these ridiculous
names?) motherboard and an AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D processor. Far from the
most powerful kit you can get these days but under a grand (with
cooler, memory and M.2 SSD included). I went with a RTX 3060 graphics
card as Per Toine's recommendation (I got the MSI Ventus GeForce RTX
3060 with 12G onboard memory).
Related, what's the fastest laptop that runs Windows 10?
I don't think there's any Windows 11 laptop that won't run Windows 10.
And plenty of places that still have stock of Windows 10 installation
packages.
That's pretty much what my build was last year. I ended up with the
Aorus x670E Master but a little less processor, I put in the Ryzen 7
7700X. I stayed with Gigabyte for the video card, but mine is also a
3060 with 12gb ram.
When I was bench marking stuff I discovered that my intended MB was
slower with 128gb of ram than it was with 64 so I went with less ram. I
figured using the M.2 cards as swap would be fine, and so far I've only
gone to swap a few times with 64b, and that was with hugely deep focus
stacks off the X-T5 where it's decided a hundred exposures are required.
Did you go with liquid cooling or air?
bill
On 7/6/2024 11:43 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
lrc@red4est.com wrote:
I went with a Gigabyte B650 Aorus (where do they get these ridiculous
names?) motherboard and an AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D processor. Far from the
most powerful kit you can get these days but under a grand (with
cooler, memory and M.2 SSD included). I went with a RTX 3060 graphics
card as Per Toine's recommendation (I got the MSI Ventus GeForce RTX
3060 with 12G onboard memory).
Bill wrote:
That's pretty much what my build was last year. I ended up with the
Aorus x670E Master but a little less processor, I put in the Ryzen 7
7700X. I stayed with Gigabyte for the video card, but mine is also a
3060 with 12gb ram.
When I was bench marking stuff I discovered that my intended MB was
slower with 128gb of ram than it was with 64 so I went with less ram. I
figured using the M.2 cards as swap would be fine, and so far I've only
gone to swap a few times with 64b, and that was with hugely deep focus
stacks off the X-T5 where it's decided a hundred exposures are required.
Here's what I bought for a CPU cooler:
https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nh-d15-chromax-black/p/13C-0005-00324?Item=9SIAADYA5G4033
The second fan is optional, which is a good thing because it won't fit
in my application. Not being a gamer, I really doubt I'll ever push
this system to the point where I need a second fan.
With the variable-speed fans that only run as fast as necessary it's
really quiet in my usage.
On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 10:48 PM Mark Roberts postmaster@robertstech.com wrote:
Bill wrote:
That's pretty much what my build was last year. I ended up with the
Aorus x670E Master but a little less processor, I put in the Ryzen 7
7700X. I stayed with Gigabyte for the video card, but mine is also a
3060 with 12gb ram.
When I was bench marking stuff I discovered that my intended MB was
slower with 128gb of ram than it was with 64 so I went with less ram. I
figured using the M.2 cards as swap would be fine, and so far I've only
gone to swap a few times with 64b, and that was with hugely deep focus
stacks off the X-T5 where it's decided a hundred exposures are required.
Here's what I bought for a CPU cooler:
https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nh-d15-chromax-black/p/13C-0005-00324?Item=9SIAADYA5G4033
The second fan is optional, which is a good thing because it won't fit
in my application. Not being a gamer, I really doubt I'll ever push
this system to the point where I need a second fan.
With the variable-speed fans that only run as fast as necessary it's
really quiet in my usage.
No reason to go watercooling when there are air coolers like that.
Quieter and less problematic - can't have a water leak if there's no
water.
I'll upgrade my PC someday (probably not this year), and my planned
solution looks similar to yours. Except I'll go Zen 5 (Ryzen 9700X,
likely), as they'll be available by then.
Regards,
Alex
On 7/6/2024 1:10 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bill wrote:
That's pretty much what my build was last year. I ended up with the
Aorus x670E Master but a little less processor, I put in the Ryzen 7
7700X. I stayed with Gigabyte for the video card, but mine is also a
3060 with 12gb ram.
When I was bench marking stuff I discovered that my intended MB was
slower with 128gb of ram than it was with 64 so I went with less ram. I
figured using the M.2 cards as swap would be fine, and so far I've only
gone to swap a few times with 64b, and that was with hugely deep focus
stacks off the X-T5 where it's decided a hundred exposures are required.
Here's what I bought for a CPU cooler:
https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nh-d15-chromax-black/p/13C-0005-00324?Item=9SIAADYA5G4033
The second fan is optional, which is a good thing because it won't fit
in my application. Not being a gamer, I really doubt I'll ever push
this system to the point where I need a second fan.
With the variable-speed fans that only run as fast as necessary it's
really quiet in my usage.
I water cooled my system. Partly because I wanted to, and partly because
it was recommended. I've seen a couple of fan coolers that I could have
used.
Even with liquid cooling I've had CPU temps in the mid 90ºC range when
doing some heavy image processing. It won't stay there for long, but
when I'm doing a big focus stack it will jump quite high and then settle
back into the 60º range.
bill
Here a recent YT video claiming that with the latest hardware it is
better to install Win 11 rather than Win 10 to avoid problems.
https://youtu.be/L-p4XGZfXYE?si=7v_GQZOszs-vw1Tb
Plus the fact that from October next year you likely will have to pay
for (security) updates on Win 10.
Henk ( a happy Win 11 user)
Op 2024-07-06 om 19:43 schreef Mark Roberts:
lrc@red4est.com wrote:
Can you post details, my boss would like a faster computer but hates Windows 11.
I don't blame him. The privacy intrusion stuff is enough to keep me
off Win 11. And there are no improvements that are enticing enough to
tempt me. (I'm running the "Open Shell" interface to rid myself of the
wretched Windows 10 interface.)
I went with a Gigabyte B650 Aorus (where do they get these ridiculous
names?) motherboard and an AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D processor. Far from the
most powerful kit you can get these days but under a grand (with
cooler, memory and M.2 SSD included). I went with a RTX 3060 graphics
card as Per Toine's recommendation (I got the MSI Ventus GeForce RTX
3060 with 12G onboard memory).
Related, what's the fastest laptop that runs Windows 10?
I don't think there's any Windows 11 laptop that won't run Windows 10.
And plenty of places that still have stock of Windows 10 installation
packages.
Side note, anyone looked into replacing Windows 10 Home with Windows 10 Pro?
On 7/6/2024 1:43 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
lrc@red4est.com wrote:
Can you post details, my boss would like a faster computer but hates Windows 11.
I don't blame him. The privacy intrusion stuff is enough to keep me
off Win 11. And there are no improvements that are enticing enough to
tempt me. (I'm running the "Open Shell" interface to rid myself of the
wretched Windows 10 interface.)
I went with a Gigabyte B650 Aorus (where do they get these ridiculous
names?) motherboard and an AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D processor. Far from the
most powerful kit you can get these days but under a grand (with
cooler, memory and M.2 SSD included). I went with a RTX 3060 graphics
card as Per Toine's recommendation (I got the MSI Ventus GeForce RTX
3060 with 12G onboard memory).
Related, what's the fastest laptop that runs Windows 10?
I don't think there's any Windows 11 laptop that won't run Windows 10.
And plenty of places that still have stock of Windows 10 installation
packages.
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John Sessoms wrote:
Side note, anyone looked into replacing Windows 10 Home with Windows 10 Pro?
Yep, I did that with my laptop just a few months ago. Bought a NOS
Windows 10 Pro package on eBay for about $50.00. Worth the price just
to be able to decide when to do updates (rather than having the time
chosen for me - always at the most inopportune moment, as per Murphy's
Law.)