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John Francis
Sat, Jan 7, 2023 5:50 AM

On Sat, Jan 07, 2023 at 12:30:07AM +0000, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion Facebook Group?

Not from me.  I don't (and won't) do facebook - I just find far too annoying.

But there again I'm not doing a lot of Pentax stuff nowadays, either.
Probably the most interesting thing I'll do here is post a 'for sale'
list - I'm working up to selling my A* and FA* lenses (A* 300/2.8,
FA* 80-200/2.8 & 250-600/5.6) once I've worked out just how much
(or how little) they should go for.

I'm holding on to the DA* zooms for a while (16-50, 50-135, 60-250),
and the K-5 still works just fine, but quite honestly I'll probably
rarely if ever use them again.

On Sat, Jan 07, 2023 at 12:30:07AM +0000, Steve Cottrell wrote: > Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion Facebook Group? Not from me. I don't (and won't) do facebook - I just find far too annoying. But there again I'm not doing a lot of Pentax stuff nowadays, either. Probably the most interesting thing I'll do here is post a 'for sale' list - I'm working up to selling my A* and FA* lenses (A* 300/2.8, FA* 80-200/2.8 & 250-600/5.6) once I've worked out just how much (or how little) they should go for. I'm holding on to the DA* zooms for a while (16-50, 50-135, 60-250), and the K-5 still works just fine, but quite honestly I'll probably rarely if ever use them again.
MW
mike wilson
Sat, Jan 7, 2023 7:09 AM

On 07/01/2023 01:42 Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:

On 1/6/2023 6:47 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Oh really?

Here’s a test:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/482940207253506

See if it garners any interest…

If not, it will be killed off.

Just a thought.

Cotty

Sorry Steve, not going anywhere near crackbook.

Nor me.  I like the fact that there is very little white noise here, even though thread drift is almost a requisite.  Without accepting that I am a victim of confirmation bias, it's no coincidence that the only other online forum that I frequent is a private, invitation only one.

> On 07/01/2023 01:42 Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 1/6/2023 6:47 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > Oh really? > > > > Here’s a test: > > > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/482940207253506 > > > > See if it garners any interest… > > > > If not, it will be killed off. > > > > Just a thought. > > > > Cotty > Sorry Steve, not going anywhere near crackbook. Nor me. I like the fact that there is very little white noise here, even though thread drift is almost a requisite. Without accepting that I am a victim of confirmation bias, it's no coincidence that the only other online forum that I frequent is a private, invitation only one.
RR
Ralf R Radermacher
Sat, Jan 7, 2023 9:21 AM

Am 07.01.23 um 01:30 schrieb Steve Cottrell:

Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion Facebook Group?

No.

Ralf

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Ralf R. Radermacher  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012

Am 07.01.23 um 01:30 schrieb Steve Cottrell: > Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion Facebook Group? No. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012
RR
Ralf R Radermacher
Sat, Jan 7, 2023 9:26 AM

Am 07.01.23 um 06:50 schrieb John Francis:

Not from me.  I don't (and won't) do facebook - I just find far too annoying.

Same here. Never have, never will.

I've seen a number of interesting discussion groups on audio-related
topics go that way and I still miss them.

Ralf

--
Ralf R. Radermacher  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012

Am 07.01.23 um 06:50 schrieb John Francis: > Not from me. I don't (and won't) do facebook - I just find far too annoying. Same here. Never have, never will. I've seen a number of interesting discussion groups on audio-related topics go that way and I still miss them. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012
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Steve Cottrell
Sat, Jan 7, 2023 10:21 AM

Aah - thanks Lar

Cot

On 7 Jan 2023, at 00:51, Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com wrote:

No, the Pentaxian group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/155414957979206

Aah - thanks Lar Cot On 7 Jan 2023, at 00:51, Larry Colen <lrc@red4est.com> wrote: No, the Pentaxian group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/155414957979206
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Steve Cottrell
Sat, Jan 7, 2023 10:25 AM

I understand completely.

In bed with the devil has its moments tho!!

Cot

On 7 Jan 2023, at 01:42, Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:

Sorry Steve, not going anywhere near crackbook.

I understand completely. In bed with the devil has its moments tho!! Cot On 7 Jan 2023, at 01:42, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry Steve, not going anywhere near crackbook.
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Steve Cottrell
Sat, Jan 7, 2023 10:31 AM

Ah! I don’t know anything about groups.io - how does it work? Is it email based? Can one share images without having to place them on a server like Flickr etc? Will visit and have a look.

Cot

On 7 Jan 2023, at 04:34, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:

If the goal of a proposed FB group is to allow modern formatted text and photo sharing features in PDML communications, I would suggest moving the PDML to a modern list server with groups.io instead. I've helped move three other photo groups to this service  and it's been 100% successful, including one that started on FB and left due to the terms of service issues.

Ah! I don’t know anything about groups.io - how does it work? Is it email based? Can one share images without having to place them on a server like Flickr etc? Will visit and have a look. Cot On 7 Jan 2023, at 04:34, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigiorgi@me.com> wrote: If the goal of a proposed FB group is to allow modern formatted text and photo sharing features in PDML communications, I would suggest moving the PDML to a modern list server with groups.io instead. I've helped move three other photo groups to this service and it's been 100% successful, including one that started on FB and left due to the terms of service issues.
MW
mike wilson
Sat, Jan 7, 2023 11:01 AM

There's also forumotion.com

Forums are not email based and there is usually a free image server associated with each one, or you can link to your own hosting or a proprietary image hoster.

On 07/01/2023 10:31 Steve Cottrell cotty@seeingeye.tv wrote:

Ah! I don’t know anything about groups.io - how does it work? Is it email based? Can one share images without having to place them on a server like Flickr etc? Will visit and have a look.

Cot

On 7 Jan 2023, at 04:34, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:

If the goal of a proposed FB group is to allow modern formatted text and photo sharing features in PDML communications, I would suggest moving the PDML to a modern list server with groups.io instead. I've helped move three other photo groups to this service  and it's been 100% successful, including one that started on FB and left due to the terms of service issues.

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There's also forumotion.com Forums are not email based and there is usually a free image server associated with each one, or you can link to your own hosting or a proprietary image hoster. > On 07/01/2023 10:31 Steve Cottrell <cotty@seeingeye.tv> wrote: > > > Ah! I don’t know anything about groups.io - how does it work? Is it email based? Can one share images without having to place them on a server like Flickr etc? Will visit and have a look. > > Cot > > > On 7 Jan 2023, at 04:34, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigiorgi@me.com> wrote: > > If the goal of a proposed FB group is to allow modern formatted text and photo sharing features in PDML communications, I would suggest moving the PDML to a modern list server with groups.io instead. I've helped move three other photo groups to this service and it's been 100% successful, including one that started on FB and left due to the terms of service issues. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sat, Jan 7, 2023 4:06 PM

Hi Cotty,

groups.io is email based … the groups.io server simply maintains the list of people to distribute the emails to and transmits the emails you send to the list, plus whatever attachments etc, you want to put in your emails. An administrator simply manages the list (which is also able to have user controls for adding and removing an address and all that), the rest of it is pretty automated and driven by the users' individual email hosts and apps.

When I login to my groups.io account, I can see all the groups I'm subscribed to, review posts to any of the groups, look for current topics in all the groups, see my activity across all the groups, etc. I normally don't login to the server very often at all: posts to any of my groups are sent to me as email and I respond to them as email replies, attaching whatever photos or links I want to distribute to the group.

It's simple and easy. I helped move my "workshop reunion" group communications to it several years ago when the Yahoo groups went away… (that's the group of photographers who participated in the exhibition and photo book classes that i attended and participated in a decade ago). There have been zero complaints.

On Jan 7, 2023, at 3:01 AM, mike wilson m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com wrote:

There's also forumotion.com

Forums are not email based and there is usually a free image server associated with each one, or you can link to your own hosting or a proprietary image hoster.

I'll have to look at that one, mike. Forums pose a different kind of conversation than email lists, and a different cost/complexity structure in setup and management; it might also be useful and appropriate for various of my groups. Thanks!

Personally, I haven't maintained a personal, "portfolio" website or web server in a decade or so. I have found sufficient utility in using Flickr.com as master image hosting web server and have found my small participation in a couple of groups there has been 100% positive. If I did want to maintain my own portfolio website again, I'd probably go with Square Space rather than writing my site by hand the way I did last time. The technology has progressed since then… ;)

G

On Jan 7, 2023, at 2:31 AM, Steve Cottrell cotty@seeingeye.tv wrote:

Ah! I don’t know anything about groups.io - how does it work? Is it email based? Can one share images without having to place them on a server like Flickr etc? Will visit and have a look.

Cot

On 7 Jan 2023, at 04:34, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:

If the goal of a proposed FB group is to allow modern formatted text and photo sharing features in PDML communications, I would suggest moving the PDML to a modern list server with groups.io instead. I've helped move three other photo groups to this service  and it's been 100% successful, including one that started on FB and left due to the terms of service issues.

%(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List
To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Hi Cotty, groups.io is email based … the groups.io server simply maintains the list of people to distribute the emails to and transmits the emails you send to the list, plus whatever attachments etc, you want to put in your emails. An administrator simply manages the list (which is also able to have user controls for adding and removing an address and all that), the rest of it is pretty automated and driven by the users' individual email hosts and apps. When I login to my groups.io account, I can see all the groups I'm subscribed to, review posts to any of the groups, look for current topics in all the groups, see my activity across all the groups, etc. I normally don't login to the server very often at all: posts to any of my groups are sent to me as email and I respond to them as email replies, attaching whatever photos or links I want to distribute to the group. It's simple and easy. I helped move my "workshop reunion" group communications to it several years ago when the Yahoo groups went away… (that's the group of photographers who participated in the exhibition and photo book classes that i attended and participated in a decade ago). There have been zero complaints. > On Jan 7, 2023, at 3:01 AM, mike wilson <m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > There's also forumotion.com > > Forums are not email based and there is usually a free image server associated with each one, or you can link to your own hosting or a proprietary image hoster. I'll have to look at that one, mike. Forums pose a different kind of conversation than email lists, and a different cost/complexity structure in setup and management; it might also be useful and appropriate for various of my groups. Thanks! Personally, I haven't maintained a personal, "portfolio" website or web server in a decade or so. I have found sufficient utility in using Flickr.com as master image hosting web server and have found my small participation in a couple of groups there has been 100% positive. If I did want to maintain my own portfolio website again, I'd probably go with Square Space rather than writing my site by hand the way I did last time. The technology has progressed since then… ;) G > On Jan 7, 2023, at 2:31 AM, Steve Cottrell <cotty@seeingeye.tv> wrote: > > Ah! I don’t know anything about groups.io - how does it work? Is it email based? Can one share images without having to place them on a server like Flickr etc? Will visit and have a look. > > Cot > > >> On 7 Jan 2023, at 04:34, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigiorgi@me.com> wrote: >> >> If the goal of a proposed FB group is to allow modern formatted text and photo sharing features in PDML communications, I would suggest moving the PDML to a modern list server with groups.io instead. I've helped move three other photo groups to this service and it's been 100% successful, including one that started on FB and left due to the terms of service issues. >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. > >
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Steve Cottrell
Sat, Jan 7, 2023 5:24 PM

Thanks for the explanation Godders. Interesting!

Cot

On 7 Jan 2023, at 16:06, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:

groups.io is email based … the groups.io server simply maintains the list of people to distribute the emails to and transmits the emails you send to the list, plus whatever attachments etc, you want to put in your emails. An administrator simply manages the list (which is also able to have user controls for adding and removing an address and all that), the rest of it is pretty automated and driven by the users' individual email hosts and apps.

Thanks for the explanation Godders. Interesting! Cot On 7 Jan 2023, at 16:06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigiorgi@me.com> wrote: groups.io is email based … the groups.io server simply maintains the list of people to distribute the emails to and transmits the emails you send to the list, plus whatever attachments etc, you want to put in your emails. An administrator simply manages the list (which is also able to have user controls for adding and removing an address and all that), the rest of it is pretty automated and driven by the users' individual email hosts and apps.