MW
mike wilson
Fri, Oct 11, 2024 3:54 PM
Sadly, you need to convert those figures to sterling and add quite a bit to obtain an equivalent here. And you hit SPAM as well.
On 02/10/2024 01:10 BST Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:
I don't know what a "normal video connection is".
A new Mac mini cpu configured with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD drive and delivered with Logic Pro installed is approx $1200. It has an HDMI port to drive video output, so any display with an HDMI input is usable, and any keyboard/mouse/trackpad input device with Bluetooth, USB-A, or USB-C/Thunderbolt outputs will be useable.
I would spend the extra couple hundred $ and go with 1TB SSD because sound and video manipulations generally consume a lot of disk space. External drives for extended storage with USB-C connection are best, and are reasonably inexpensive for capacities of 4 to 6 TB.
Apple systems are generally supported for about 5-6 years of macOS revisions, so that gives your daughter a computer she can rely upon for an entire University degree program, rather than buying an old system that will go out of date and not be upgradable to the next revision of the apps/macOS she needs.
(This is pretty much precisely what my partner and I gifted our niece with over the Summer because she is starting her University degree program as well. We went with a MacBook Air laptop, though, because she needed/wanted mobility use, which added a bit to the cost. Call it $1900, and that of course includes the display and keyboard in the unit rather than having to purchase them separately. She'll use it for the entirety of her degree program, so $500 per year if it was then just tossed into the garbage (which it won't be), so that's really not a lot for an essential part of a modern student's annual University budget.)
G
On Oct 1, 2024, at 7:31 AM, mike wilson m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com wrote:
My daughter is just starting uni and "needs" some form of Apple computer to run the software (Logic) she will be using. Needs at least OS13.5, apparently.
After wailing and gnashing my teeth for some time because of the utterly ridiculous pricing structure, I am having to work out a way to make this happen. So, bearing in mind that I am looking primarily at an Apple Mac mini MMFJ3B/A, some questions:
Will this cope? Fairly sure she will have to use some form of external drive for storage.
Does Apple use normal video connections, such that I can attach a non-Apple monitor?
Will any bluetooth keyboard/mouse work - can I use a cabled one?
Many thanks in anticipation.
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Sadly, you need to convert those figures to sterling and add quite a bit to obtain an equivalent here. And you hit SPAM as well.
> On 02/10/2024 01:10 BST Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigiorgi@me.com> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know what a "normal video connection is".
>
> A new Mac mini cpu configured with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD drive and delivered with Logic Pro installed is approx $1200. It has an HDMI port to drive video output, so any display with an HDMI input is usable, and any keyboard/mouse/trackpad input device with Bluetooth, USB-A, or USB-C/Thunderbolt outputs will be useable.
>
> I would spend the extra couple hundred $ and go with 1TB SSD because sound and video manipulations generally consume a lot of disk space. External drives for extended storage with USB-C connection are best, and are reasonably inexpensive for capacities of 4 to 6 TB.
>
> Apple systems are generally supported for about 5-6 years of macOS revisions, so that gives your daughter a computer she can rely upon for an entire University degree program, rather than buying an old system that will go out of date and not be upgradable to the next revision of the apps/macOS she needs.
>
> (This is pretty much precisely what my partner and I gifted our niece with over the Summer because she is starting her University degree program as well. We went with a MacBook Air laptop, though, because she needed/wanted mobility use, which added a bit to the cost. Call it $1900, and that of course includes the display and keyboard in the unit rather than having to purchase them separately. She'll use it for the entirety of her degree program, so $500 per year if it was then just tossed into the garbage (which it won't be), so that's really not a lot for an essential part of a modern student's annual University budget.)
>
> G
>
> > On Oct 1, 2024, at 7:31 AM, mike wilson <m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > My daughter is just starting uni and "needs" some form of Apple computer to run the software (Logic) she will be using. Needs at least OS13.5, apparently.
> >
> > After wailing and gnashing my teeth for some time because of the utterly ridiculous pricing structure, I am having to work out a way to make this happen. So, bearing in mind that I am looking primarily at an Apple Mac mini MMFJ3B/A, some questions:
> >
> > Will this cope? Fairly sure she will have to use some form of external drive for storage.
> >
> > Does Apple use normal video connections, such that I can attach a non-Apple monitor?
> >
> > Will any bluetooth keyboard/mouse work - can I use a cabled one?
> >
> > Many thanks in anticipation.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi
Fri, Oct 11, 2024 6:55 PM
hi mike,
I just went to the Apple UK website and priced out the exact same mini I mentioned (16G RAM, 512GB SSD, including Logic Pro installed). The price is £1248.99 compared to US$1198.99, which accounting for currency differences, say that the UK price is about 30% greater .. but that price does include VAT, where the US price does not include state and local sales tax, usually about 9.5% where I live in California. So the cost overall is about 20% more expensive in the UK, and most of that difference is in taxes.
Regards the SPAM filter ... about three-quarters of all the messages I get from PDML are assigned as SPAM including my own, no matter what I do to change that. I think this is a problem with whatever the PDML server is putting into the message header. Because of this PDML glitch, I have a 'deSPAMPDML' script which I run on my SPAM mailbox whenever i want to look at PDML email. It puts all the messages in the right place and turns off the SPAM assignment.
G
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Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?"
Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
– Charlie Brown
On Oct 11, 2024, at 8:54 AM, mike wilson m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com wrote:
Sadly, you need to convert those figures to sterling and add quite a bit to obtain an equivalent here. And you hit SPAM as well.
On 02/10/2024 01:10 BST Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:
I don't know what a "normal video connection is".
A new Mac mini cpu configured with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD drive and delivered with Logic Pro installed is approx $1200. It has an HDMI port to drive video output, so any display with an HDMI input is usable, and any keyboard/mouse/trackpad input device with Bluetooth, USB-A, or USB-C/Thunderbolt outputs will be useable.
I would spend the extra couple hundred $ and go with 1TB SSD because sound and video manipulations generally consume a lot of disk space. External drives for extended storage with USB-C connection are best, and are reasonably inexpensive for capacities of 4 to 6 TB.
Apple systems are generally supported for about 5-6 years of macOS revisions, so that gives your daughter a computer she can rely upon for an entire University degree program, rather than buying an old system that will go out of date and not be upgradable to the next revision of the apps/macOS she needs.
(This is pretty much precisely what my partner and I gifted our niece with over the Summer because she is starting her University degree program as well. We went with a MacBook Air laptop, though, because she needed/wanted mobility use, which added a bit to the cost. Call it $1900, and that of course includes the display and keyboard in the unit rather than having to purchase them separately. She'll use it for the entirety of her degree program, so $500 per year if it was then just tossed into the garbage (which it won't be), so that's really not a lot for an essential part of a modern student's annual University budget.)
G
On Oct 1, 2024, at 7:31 AM, mike wilson m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com wrote:
My daughter is just starting uni and "needs" some form of Apple computer to run the software (Logic) she will be using. Needs at least OS13.5, apparently.
After wailing and gnashing my teeth for some time because of the utterly ridiculous pricing structure, I am having to work out a way to make this happen. So, bearing in mind that I am looking primarily at an Apple Mac mini MMFJ3B/A, some questions:
Will this cope? Fairly sure she will have to use some form of external drive for storage.
Does Apple use normal video connections, such that I can attach a non-Apple monitor?
Will any bluetooth keyboard/mouse work - can I use a cabled one?
Many thanks in anticipation.
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hi mike,
I just went to the Apple UK website and priced out the exact same mini I mentioned (16G RAM, 512GB SSD, including Logic Pro installed). The price is £1248.99 compared to US$1198.99, which accounting for currency differences, say that the UK price is about 30% greater .. but that price does include VAT, where the US price does not include state and local sales tax, usually about 9.5% where I live in California. So the cost overall is about 20% more expensive in the UK, and most of that difference is in taxes.
Regards the SPAM filter ... about three-quarters of all the messages I get from PDML are assigned as SPAM including my own, no matter what I do to change that. I think this is a problem with whatever the PDML server is putting into the message header. Because of this PDML glitch, I have a 'deSPAMPDML' script which I run on my SPAM mailbox whenever i want to look at PDML email. It puts all the messages in the right place and turns off the SPAM assignment.
G
—
Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigiorgi@me.com
Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?"
Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
– Charlie Brown
> On Oct 11, 2024, at 8:54 AM, mike wilson <m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> Sadly, you need to convert those figures to sterling and add quite a bit to obtain an equivalent here. And you hit SPAM as well.
>> On 02/10/2024 01:10 BST Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigiorgi@me.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't know what a "normal video connection is".
>>
>> A new Mac mini cpu configured with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD drive and delivered with Logic Pro installed is approx $1200. It has an HDMI port to drive video output, so any display with an HDMI input is usable, and any keyboard/mouse/trackpad input device with Bluetooth, USB-A, or USB-C/Thunderbolt outputs will be useable.
>>
>> I would spend the extra couple hundred $ and go with 1TB SSD because sound and video manipulations generally consume a lot of disk space. External drives for extended storage with USB-C connection are best, and are reasonably inexpensive for capacities of 4 to 6 TB.
>>
>> Apple systems are generally supported for about 5-6 years of macOS revisions, so that gives your daughter a computer she can rely upon for an entire University degree program, rather than buying an old system that will go out of date and not be upgradable to the next revision of the apps/macOS she needs.
>>
>> (This is pretty much precisely what my partner and I gifted our niece with over the Summer because she is starting her University degree program as well. We went with a MacBook Air laptop, though, because she needed/wanted mobility use, which added a bit to the cost. Call it $1900, and that of course includes the display and keyboard in the unit rather than having to purchase them separately. She'll use it for the entirety of her degree program, so $500 per year if it was then just tossed into the garbage (which it won't be), so that's really not a lot for an essential part of a modern student's annual University budget.)
>>
>> G
>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2024, at 7:31 AM, mike wilson <m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My daughter is just starting uni and "needs" some form of Apple computer to run the software (Logic) she will be using. Needs at least OS13.5, apparently.
>>>
>>> After wailing and gnashing my teeth for some time because of the utterly ridiculous pricing structure, I am having to work out a way to make this happen. So, bearing in mind that I am looking primarily at an Apple Mac mini MMFJ3B/A, some questions:
>>>
>>> Will this cope? Fairly sure she will have to use some form of external drive for storage.
>>>
>>> Does Apple use normal video connections, such that I can attach a non-Apple monitor?
>>>
>>> Will any bluetooth keyboard/mouse work - can I use a cabled one?
>>>
>>> Many thanks in anticipation.
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Chris Mitchell
Fri, Nov 1, 2024 6:59 PM
I'm still here too (but don't catch up very often).
With the announcement if the M4 Mac Mini, there should be some good deals
on M2 ones where people are upgrading. Might be too late though. Back to
sleep now...
Chris
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024, 04:40 steve harley, pdml@paper-ape.com wrote:
(yes, i am still on this list)
i moved from a Mac Pro 2013 to a Mac Mini M2 Pro last year; the Mini is
extremely capable; i don't think the regular M2 would make much difference,
but i would suggest 16GB RAM — i push mine hard and sometimes wish i had
32GB; i run apps for audio, photo, GIS, design and lots and lots of browser
tabs
there is likely an M4 mini to be announced this month, which may figure
into the choice; it might default to 16GB — it will also mean discounts on
the current line
i have both thunderbolt and USB external drives plus two thunderbolt
displays attached, no problem; HDMI is supported natively as well (no need
for an adapter), and adapters can be had for most anything else
i have used a lot of different keyboards, both bluetooth & USB; they all
work, but if she uses a Windows-style keyboard (like me right now) she'll
need an obscure yet trivial tweak to put the command and option keys in the
right place (if she cares)
but i think most students would prefer a laptop; the MacBook Air line is
about as powerful as the Minis, but with fewer ports for external devices;
again get 16GB RAM
On Tue, Oct 1, 2024, at 08:31, mike wilson wrote:
My daughter is just starting uni and "needs" some form of Apple
computer to run the software (Logic) she will be using. Needs at least
OS13.5, apparently.
After wailing and gnashing my teeth for some time because of the
utterly ridiculous pricing structure, I am having to work out a way to
make this happen. So, bearing in mind that I am looking primarily at
an Apple Mac mini MMFJ3B/A, some questions:
Will this cope? Fairly sure she will have to use some form of external
drive for storage.
Does Apple use normal video connections, such that I can attach a
non-Apple monitor?
Will any bluetooth keyboard/mouse work - can I use a cabled one?
Many thanks in anticipation.
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I'm still here too (but don't catch up very often).
With the announcement if the M4 Mac Mini, there should be some good deals
on M2 ones where people are upgrading. Might be too late though. Back to
sleep now...
Chris
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024, 04:40 steve harley, <pdml@paper-ape.com> wrote:
> (yes, i am still on this list)
>
> i moved from a Mac Pro 2013 to a Mac Mini M2 Pro last year; the Mini is
> extremely capable; i don't think the regular M2 would make much difference,
> but i would suggest 16GB RAM — i push mine hard and sometimes wish i had
> 32GB; i run apps for audio, photo, GIS, design and lots and lots of browser
> tabs
>
> there is likely an M4 mini to be announced this month, which may figure
> into the choice; it might default to 16GB — it will also mean discounts on
> the current line
>
> i have both thunderbolt and USB external drives plus two thunderbolt
> displays attached, no problem; HDMI is supported natively as well (no need
> for an adapter), and adapters can be had for most anything else
>
> i have used a lot of different keyboards, both bluetooth & USB; they all
> work, but if she uses a Windows-style keyboard (like me right now) she'll
> need an obscure yet trivial tweak to put the command and option keys in the
> right place (if she cares)
>
> but i think most students would prefer a laptop; the MacBook Air line is
> about as powerful as the Minis, but with fewer ports for external devices;
> again get 16GB RAM
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2024, at 08:31, mike wilson wrote:
> > My daughter is just starting uni and "needs" some form of Apple
> > computer to run the software (Logic) she will be using. Needs at least
> > OS13.5, apparently.
> >
> > After wailing and gnashing my teeth for some time because of the
> > utterly ridiculous pricing structure, I am having to work out a way to
> > make this happen. So, bearing in mind that I am looking primarily at
> > an Apple Mac mini MMFJ3B/A, some questions:
> >
> > Will this cope? Fairly sure she will have to use some form of external
> > drive for storage.
> >
> > Does Apple use normal video connections, such that I can attach a
> > non-Apple monitor?
> >
> > Will any bluetooth keyboard/mouse work - can I use a cabled one?
> >
> > Many thanks in anticipation.
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mike wilson
Fri, Nov 1, 2024 11:58 PM
Good to see you both. I ended up paying just over £1800 for a one-step-up-from-bargain-basement macbook. You can imagine my joy when I saw an equivalent spec Dell PC for £220. All for some poxy software that she is having problems using as her version is much newer than the university's...
On 01/11/2024 18:59 GMT Chris Mitchell chrism8063@gmail.com wrote:
I'm still here too (but don't catch up very often).
With the announcement if the M4 Mac Mini, there should be some good deals
on M2 ones where people are upgrading. Might be too late though. Back to
sleep now...
Chris
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024, 04:40 steve harley, pdml@paper-ape.com wrote:
(yes, i am still on this list)
i moved from a Mac Pro 2013 to a Mac Mini M2 Pro last year; the Mini is
extremely capable; i don't think the regular M2 would make much difference,
but i would suggest 16GB RAM — i push mine hard and sometimes wish i had
32GB; i run apps for audio, photo, GIS, design and lots and lots of browser
tabs
there is likely an M4 mini to be announced this month, which may figure
into the choice; it might default to 16GB — it will also mean discounts on
the current line
i have both thunderbolt and USB external drives plus two thunderbolt
displays attached, no problem; HDMI is supported natively as well (no need
for an adapter), and adapters can be had for most anything else
i have used a lot of different keyboards, both bluetooth & USB; they all
work, but if she uses a Windows-style keyboard (like me right now) she'll
need an obscure yet trivial tweak to put the command and option keys in the
right place (if she cares)
but i think most students would prefer a laptop; the MacBook Air line is
about as powerful as the Minis, but with fewer ports for external devices;
again get 16GB RAM
On Tue, Oct 1, 2024, at 08:31, mike wilson wrote:
My daughter is just starting uni and "needs" some form of Apple
computer to run the software (Logic) she will be using. Needs at least
OS13.5, apparently.
After wailing and gnashing my teeth for some time because of the
utterly ridiculous pricing structure, I am having to work out a way to
make this happen. So, bearing in mind that I am looking primarily at
an Apple Mac mini MMFJ3B/A, some questions:
Will this cope? Fairly sure she will have to use some form of external
drive for storage.
Does Apple use normal video connections, such that I can attach a
non-Apple monitor?
Will any bluetooth keyboard/mouse work - can I use a cabled one?
Many thanks in anticipation.
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Good to see you both. I ended up paying just over £1800 for a one-step-up-from-bargain-basement macbook. You can imagine my joy when I saw an equivalent spec Dell PC for £220. All for some poxy software that she is having problems using as her version is much newer than the university's...
> On 01/11/2024 18:59 GMT Chris Mitchell <chrism8063@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm still here too (but don't catch up very often).
>
> With the announcement if the M4 Mac Mini, there should be some good deals
> on M2 ones where people are upgrading. Might be too late though. Back to
> sleep now...
>
> Chris
>
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2024, 04:40 steve harley, <pdml@paper-ape.com> wrote:
>
> > (yes, i am still on this list)
> >
> > i moved from a Mac Pro 2013 to a Mac Mini M2 Pro last year; the Mini is
> > extremely capable; i don't think the regular M2 would make much difference,
> > but i would suggest 16GB RAM — i push mine hard and sometimes wish i had
> > 32GB; i run apps for audio, photo, GIS, design and lots and lots of browser
> > tabs
> >
> > there is likely an M4 mini to be announced this month, which may figure
> > into the choice; it might default to 16GB — it will also mean discounts on
> > the current line
> >
> > i have both thunderbolt and USB external drives plus two thunderbolt
> > displays attached, no problem; HDMI is supported natively as well (no need
> > for an adapter), and adapters can be had for most anything else
> >
> > i have used a lot of different keyboards, both bluetooth & USB; they all
> > work, but if she uses a Windows-style keyboard (like me right now) she'll
> > need an obscure yet trivial tweak to put the command and option keys in the
> > right place (if she cares)
> >
> > but i think most students would prefer a laptop; the MacBook Air line is
> > about as powerful as the Minis, but with fewer ports for external devices;
> > again get 16GB RAM
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 1, 2024, at 08:31, mike wilson wrote:
> > > My daughter is just starting uni and "needs" some form of Apple
> > > computer to run the software (Logic) she will be using. Needs at least
> > > OS13.5, apparently.
> > >
> > > After wailing and gnashing my teeth for some time because of the
> > > utterly ridiculous pricing structure, I am having to work out a way to
> > > make this happen. So, bearing in mind that I am looking primarily at
> > > an Apple Mac mini MMFJ3B/A, some questions:
> > >
> > > Will this cope? Fairly sure she will have to use some form of external
> > > drive for storage.
> > >
> > > Does Apple use normal video connections, such that I can attach a
> > > non-Apple monitor?
> > >
> > > Will any bluetooth keyboard/mouse work - can I use a cabled one?
> > >
> > > Many thanks in anticipation.
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