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Ralf R Radermacher
Sat, Jan 21, 2023 7:32 PM
Just discovered this in THe Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2023/jan/21/youll-grow-out-of-them-trainers-transformed-into-plants-in-pictures Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012
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Henk Terhell
Sat, Jan 21, 2023 9:55 PM

Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work,
perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator.
More of such fantasy work will be our future.
Henk

Op za 21 jan. 2023 om 20:32 schreef Ralf R Radermacher fotoralf@gmx.de:

Just discovered this in THe Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2023/jan/21/youll-grow-out-of-them-trainers-transformed-into-plants-in-pictures

Ralf

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Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work, perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator. More of such fantasy work will be our future. Henk Op za 21 jan. 2023 om 20:32 schreef Ralf R Radermacher <fotoralf@gmx.de>: > Just discovered this in THe Guardian: > > > https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2023/jan/21/youll-grow-out-of-them-trainers-transformed-into-plants-in-pictures > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions.
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Ralf R Radermacher
Sat, Jan 21, 2023 10:47 PM

Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell:

Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work,
perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator.
More of such fantasy work will be our future.

Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering
if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps.

Ralf

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Ralf R. Radermacher  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012

Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell: > Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work, > perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator. > More of such fantasy work will be our future. Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012
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ann sanfedele
Sun, Jan 22, 2023 1:45 AM

I'm with you all th way on that , Ralf.

ann

On 1/21/2023 5:47 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell:

Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop
work,
perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator.
More of such fantasy work will be our future.

Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering
if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps.

Ralf

--
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Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012

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I'm with you all th way on that , Ralf. ann On 1/21/2023 5:47 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell: >> Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop >> work, >> perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator. >> More of such fantasy work will be our future. > > Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering > if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks
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Comcast
Sun, Jan 22, 2023 2:17 AM

But it’s happening. AI is now writing as well. Might as well make the best of it. However, I’m glad I’ve reached an age where I probably won’t have to compete with a robot for my job.

Paul

On Jan 21, 2023, at 8:45 PM, ann sanfedele annsan@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I'm with you all th way on that , Ralf.

ann

On 1/21/2023 5:47 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell:
Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work,
perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator.
More of such fantasy work will be our future.

Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering
if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps.

Ralf

--
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Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
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But it’s happening. AI is now writing as well. Might as well make the best of it. However, I’m glad I’ve reached an age where I probably won’t have to compete with a robot for my job. Paul > On Jan 21, 2023, at 8:45 PM, ann sanfedele <annsan@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > > I'm with you all th way on that , Ralf. > > ann > >> On 1/21/2023 5:47 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >>> Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell: >>> Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work, >>> perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator. >>> More of such fantasy work will be our future. >> >> Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering >> if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps. >> >> Ralf >> >> -- >> Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany >> Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com >> Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf >> Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. > > -- > ann sanfedele photography > https://annsan.smugmug.com > https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts > https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan > https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sun, Jan 22, 2023 2:56 AM

I dunno. Art remains art. An "AI" is just another constructed thing by which humans have extended their abilities to influence and manipulate the world we live in. We already use automatons to assemble our cars, our toys, our cameras, and run a lot of our essential infrastructure. There's really little difference between what is Art directly created by human hands and Art that is indirectly created by the minds that humans embue their machines with.

Until a definitive test of what constitutes machine intelligence exists, and until machines can reliably and consistently pass that test, any Art is the result of human artiface and mind regardless of whether it is directly or indirectly created.

If you want to put a simple limitation on "what is art" to say that it must be made by human hands, well, that is just fine … but most photographs will then be marginally not-art since we already rely upon a whole range of machines, of varying levels of "intelligence", to produce our photographs.

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"You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
--Mark Twain

On Jan 21, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Comcast pnstenquist@comcast.net wrote:

But it’s happening. AI is now writing as well. Might as well make the best of it. However, I’m glad I’ve reached an age where I probably won’t have to compete with a robot for my job.

Paul

On Jan 21, 2023, at 8:45 PM, ann sanfedele annsan@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I'm with you all th way on that , Ralf.

ann

On 1/21/2023 5:47 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell:
Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work,
perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator.
More of such fantasy work will be our future.

Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering
if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps.

Ralf

I dunno. Art remains art. An "AI" is just another constructed thing by which humans have extended their abilities to influence and manipulate the world we live in. We already use automatons to assemble our cars, our toys, our cameras, and run a lot of our essential infrastructure. There's really little difference between what is Art directly created by human hands and Art that is indirectly created by the minds that humans embue their machines with. Until a definitive test of what constitutes machine intelligence exists, and until machines can reliably and consistently pass that test, any Art is the result of human artiface and mind regardless of whether it is directly or indirectly created. If you want to put a simple limitation on "what is art" to say that it must be made by human hands, well, that is just fine … but most photographs will then be marginally not-art since we already rely upon a whole range of machines, of varying levels of "intelligence", to produce our photographs. G — Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigiorgi@me.com - 408.431.4601 "You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus." --Mark Twain > On Jan 21, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Comcast <pnstenquist@comcast.net> wrote: > > But it’s happening. AI is now writing as well. Might as well make the best of it. However, I’m glad I’ve reached an age where I probably won’t have to compete with a robot for my job. > > Paul > >> On Jan 21, 2023, at 8:45 PM, ann sanfedele <annsan@nyc.rr.com> wrote: >> >> I'm with you all th way on that , Ralf. >> >> ann >> >>> On 1/21/2023 5:47 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >>>> Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell: >>>> Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work, >>>> perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator. >>>> More of such fantasy work will be our future. >>> >>> Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering >>> if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps. >>> >>> Ralf
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Daniel J. Matyola
Sun, Jan 22, 2023 3:09 AM

It's too bad the artist didn't put his best foot forward.

Dan Matyola
https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 2:32 PM Ralf R Radermacher fotoralf@gmx.de wrote:

It's too bad the artist didn't put his best foot forward. Dan Matyola *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery <https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery>* On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 2:32 PM Ralf R Radermacher <fotoralf@gmx.de> wrote: > Just discovered this in THe Guardian: > > > https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2023/jan/21/youll-grow-out-of-them-trainers-transformed-into-plants-in-pictures > > Ralf > >
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Alan C
Sun, Jan 22, 2023 5:05 AM

Well said, Godfrey.

I well remember a heated argument I had with a fellow teacher along
those lines many years ago. He was adamant that photography could never
be art. One could even argue about the type of brush & paint used! And
what if the "artist" had to wear glasses?

Alan C

On 22-Jan-23 04:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I dunno. Art remains art. An "AI" is just another constructed thing by which humans have extended their abilities to influence and manipulate the world we live in. We already use automatons to assemble our cars, our toys, our cameras, and run a lot of our essential infrastructure. There's really little difference between what is Art directly created by human hands and Art that is indirectly created by the minds that humans embue their machines with.

Until a definitive test of what constitutes machine intelligence exists, and until machines can reliably and consistently pass that test, any Art is the result of human artiface and mind regardless of whether it is directly or indirectly created.

If you want to put a simple limitation on "what is art" to say that it must be made by human hands, well, that is just fine … but most photographs will then be marginally not-art since we already rely upon a whole range of machines, of varying levels of "intelligence", to produce our photographs.

G

Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigiorgi@me.com - 408.431.4601

"You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
--Mark Twain

On Jan 21, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Comcast pnstenquist@comcast.net wrote:

But it’s happening. AI is now writing as well. Might as well make the best of it. However, I’m glad I’ve reached an age where I probably won’t have to compete with a robot for my job.

Paul

On Jan 21, 2023, at 8:45 PM, ann sanfedele annsan@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I'm with you all th way on that , Ralf.

ann

On 1/21/2023 5:47 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell:
Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work,
perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator.
More of such fantasy work will be our future.

Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering
if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps.

Ralf

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Well said, Godfrey. I well remember a heated argument I had with a fellow teacher along those lines many years ago. He was adamant that photography could never be art. One could even argue about the type of brush & paint used! And what if the "artist" had to wear glasses? Alan C On 22-Jan-23 04:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > I dunno. Art remains art. An "AI" is just another constructed thing by which humans have extended their abilities to influence and manipulate the world we live in. We already use automatons to assemble our cars, our toys, our cameras, and run a lot of our essential infrastructure. There's really little difference between what is Art directly created by human hands and Art that is indirectly created by the minds that humans embue their machines with. > > Until a definitive test of what constitutes machine intelligence exists, and until machines can reliably and consistently pass that test, any Art is the result of human artiface and mind regardless of whether it is directly or indirectly created. > > If you want to put a simple limitation on "what is art" to say that it must be made by human hands, well, that is just fine … but most photographs will then be marginally not-art since we already rely upon a whole range of machines, of varying levels of "intelligence", to produce our photographs. > > G > — > Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigiorgi@me.com - 408.431.4601 > > "You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus." > --Mark Twain > >> On Jan 21, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Comcast <pnstenquist@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> But it’s happening. AI is now writing as well. Might as well make the best of it. However, I’m glad I’ve reached an age where I probably won’t have to compete with a robot for my job. >> >> Paul >> >>> On Jan 21, 2023, at 8:45 PM, ann sanfedele <annsan@nyc.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'm with you all th way on that , Ralf. >>> >>> ann >>> >>>> On 1/21/2023 5:47 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >>>>> Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell: >>>>> Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work, >>>>> perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator. >>>>> More of such fantasy work will be our future. >>>> Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering >>>> if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps. >>>> >>>> Ralf > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Alan C
Sun, Jan 22, 2023 5:09 AM

Well said, Godfrey.

I well remember a heated argument I had with a fellow teacher along
those lines many years ago. He was adamant that photography could never
be art. One could even argue about the type of brush & paint used! And
what if the "artist" had to wear glasses?

Alan C

On 22-Jan-23 04:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I dunno. Art remains art. An "AI" is just another constructed thing by which humans have extended their abilities to influence and manipulate the world we live in. We already use automatons to assemble our cars, our toys, our cameras, and run a lot of our essential infrastructure. There's really little difference between what is Art directly created by human hands and Art that is indirectly created by the minds that humans embue their machines with.

Until a definitive test of what constitutes machine intelligence exists, and until machines can reliably and consistently pass that test, any Art is the result of human artiface and mind regardless of whether it is directly or indirectly created.

If you want to put a simple limitation on "what is art" to say that it must be made by human hands, well, that is just fine … but most photographs will then be marginally not-art since we already rely upon a whole range of machines, of varying levels of "intelligence", to produce our photographs.

G

Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigiorgi@me.com - 408.431.4601

"You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
--Mark Twain

Well said, Godfrey. I well remember a heated argument I had with a fellow teacher along those lines many years ago. He was adamant that photography could never be art. One could even argue about the type of brush & paint used! And what if the "artist" had to wear glasses? Alan C On 22-Jan-23 04:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > I dunno. Art remains art. An "AI" is just another constructed thing by which humans have extended their abilities to influence and manipulate the world we live in. We already use automatons to assemble our cars, our toys, our cameras, and run a lot of our essential infrastructure. There's really little difference between what is Art directly created by human hands and Art that is indirectly created by the minds that humans embue their machines with. > > Until a definitive test of what constitutes machine intelligence exists, and until machines can reliably and consistently pass that test, any Art is the result of human artiface and mind regardless of whether it is directly or indirectly created. > > If you want to put a simple limitation on "what is art" to say that it must be made by human hands, well, that is just fine … but most photographs will then be marginally not-art since we already rely upon a whole range of machines, of varying levels of "intelligence", to produce our photographs. > > G > — > Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigiorgi@me.com - 408.431.4601 > > "You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus." > --Mark Twain > >
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Alan C
Sun, Jan 22, 2023 5:30 AM

Well said, Godfrey.

I well remember a heated argument I had with a fellow teacher along
those lines many years ago. He was adamant that photography could never
be art. One could even argue about the type of brush & paint used! And
what if the "artist" had to wear glasses?

Alan C

On 22-Jan-23 04:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

If you want to put a simple limitation on "what is art" to say that it must be made by human hands, well, that is just fine … but most photographs will then be marginally not-art since we already rely upon a whole range of machines, of varying levels of "intelligence", to produce our photographs.

Well said, Godfrey. I well remember a heated argument I had with a fellow teacher along those lines many years ago. He was adamant that photography could never be art. One could even argue about the type of brush & paint used! And what if the "artist" had to wear glasses? Alan C On 22-Jan-23 04:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > If you want to put a simple limitation on "what is art" to say that it must be made by human hands, well, that is just fine … but most photographs will then be marginally not-art since we already rely upon a whole range of machines, of varying levels of "intelligence", to produce our photographs. > >