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Re: Halooo!......?

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Steve Cottrell
Wed, Mar 3, 2021 6:17 PM

On 3/3/21, Paul Sorenson, discombobulated, unleashed:

Most household circuits in the us are 110/120V.  Electric cook stoves,
electric clothes dryers and a few other items with a high power
requirement use 220V.

Cheers Paul.

So there's a transformer in the house circuit or in the appliance?

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Cheers
Cotty

On 3/3/21, Paul Sorenson, discombobulated, unleashed: >Most household circuits in the us are 110/120V.  Electric cook stoves, >electric clothes dryers and a few other items with a high power >requirement use 220V. Cheers Paul. So there's a transformer in the house circuit or in the appliance? -- Cheers Cotty
PS
Paul Sorenson
Wed, Mar 3, 2021 6:17 PM

I should add that residential power comes into the main panel supplied
through three wires - two hot wires and one neutral. Voltage between
either hot wire and the neutral is 110V and between the hot wires it's
220V (since they're opposite phase to each other).

-p

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Halooo!......?
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:08:21 -0600
From: Paul Sorenson pentax1941@gmail.com
Organization: Studio1941
To: pdml@pdml.net

Cotty -

Most household circuits in the us are 110/120V.  Electric cook stoves,
electric clothes dryers and a few other items with a high power
requirement use 220V.

-p

On 3/3/2021 11:58 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 3/3/21, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

The weird thing was that I looked at all of the 220V breakers,

Confused.com. I thought US domestic mains voltage was 110?

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Paul Sorenson
Studio1941

Sooner or later "different" scares people.

I should add that residential power comes into the main panel supplied through three wires - two hot wires and one neutral. Voltage between either hot wire and the neutral is 110V and between the hot wires it's 220V (since they're opposite phase to each other). -p -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: Halooo!......? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:08:21 -0600 From: Paul Sorenson <pentax1941@gmail.com> Organization: Studio1941 To: pdml@pdml.net Cotty - Most household circuits in the us are 110/120V.  Electric cook stoves, electric clothes dryers and a few other items with a high power requirement use 220V. -p On 3/3/2021 11:58 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > On 3/3/21, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> The weird thing was that I looked at all of the 220V breakers, > Confused.com. I thought US domestic mains voltage was 110? > > > > -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people.
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Ralf R Radermacher
Wed, Mar 3, 2021 6:30 PM

Am 03.03.21 um 18:13 schrieb Larry Colen:

There is, I’m afraid, a difference between being able to do repairs and being competent at doing repairs.

Or as someone I know uses to say: This was already broken before I
repaired it!

Ralf

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Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
Web  : http://www.fotoralf.de

Am 03.03.21 um 18:13 schrieb Larry Colen: > There is, I’m afraid, a difference between being able to do repairs and being competent at doing repairs. Or as someone I know uses to say: This was already broken before I repaired it! Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de
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Ralf R Radermacher
Wed, Mar 3, 2021 6:33 PM

Am 03.03.21 um 19:08 schrieb Paul Sorenson:

Most household circuits in the us are 110/120V.  Electric cook stoves,
electric clothes dryers and a few other items with a high power
requirement use 220V.

It's a variation on our European 230/400 V scheme.

Ralf

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Ralf R. Radermacher  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
Web  : http://www.fotoralf.de

Am 03.03.21 um 19:08 schrieb Paul Sorenson: > Most household circuits in the us are 110/120V.  Electric cook stoves, > electric clothes dryers and a few other items with a high power > requirement use 220V. It's a variation on our European 230/400 V scheme. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de
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Steve Cottrell
Wed, Mar 3, 2021 6:59 PM

On 3/3/21, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:

It's a variation on our European 230/400 V scheme.

Copy that!

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Cheers
Cotty

On 3/3/21, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: >It's a variation on our European 230/400 V scheme. Copy that! -- Cheers Cotty
SC
Steve Cottrell
Wed, Mar 3, 2021 6:59 PM

On 3/3/21, Paul Sorenson, discombobulated, unleashed:

I should add that residential power comes into the main panel supplied
through three wires - two hot wires and one neutral. Voltage between
either hot wire and the neutral is 110V and between the hot wires it's
220V (since they're opposite phase to each other).

Aha! Thanks.

--

Cheers
Cotty

On 3/3/21, Paul Sorenson, discombobulated, unleashed: >I should add that residential power comes into the main panel supplied >through three wires - two hot wires and one neutral. Voltage between >either hot wire and the neutral is 110V and between the hot wires it's >220V (since they're opposite phase to each other). Aha! Thanks. -- Cheers Cotty
LC
Larry Colen
Wed, Mar 3, 2021 7:07 PM

On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Paul Sorenson pentax1941@gmail.com wrote:

I should add that residential power comes into the main panel supplied through three wires - two hot wires and one neutral. Voltage between either hot wire and the neutral is 110V and between the hot wires it's 220V (since they're opposite phase to each other).

Yeah, what he said.

The dryer gets power on two hot and one neutral line.  For 110 circuits on the dryer it splits out one of the phases

If you’re interested you can look at the schematic in the gallery of the fan repair

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LGNv13BYmhrGZY7QA

-p

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Halooo!......?
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:08:21 -0600
From: Paul Sorenson pentax1941@gmail.com
Organization: Studio1941
To: pdml@pdml.net

Cotty -

Most household circuits in the us are 110/120V.  Electric cook stoves, electric clothes dryers and a few other items with a high power requirement use 220V.

-p

On 3/3/2021 11:58 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 3/3/21, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

The weird thing was that I looked at all of the 220V breakers,

Confused.com. I thought US domestic mains voltage was 110?

--
Paul Sorenson
Studio1941

Sooner or later "different" scares people.

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> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Paul Sorenson <pentax1941@gmail.com> wrote: > > I should add that residential power comes into the main panel supplied through three wires - two hot wires and one neutral. Voltage between either hot wire and the neutral is 110V and between the hot wires it's 220V (since they're opposite phase to each other). Yeah, what he said. The dryer gets power on two hot and one neutral line. For 110 circuits on the dryer it splits out one of the phases If you’re interested you can look at the schematic in the gallery of the fan repair https://photos.app.goo.gl/LGNv13BYmhrGZY7QA > > -p > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: Halooo!......? > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:08:21 -0600 > From: Paul Sorenson <pentax1941@gmail.com> > Organization: Studio1941 > To: pdml@pdml.net > > > > Cotty - > > Most household circuits in the us are 110/120V. Electric cook stoves, electric clothes dryers and a few other items with a high power requirement use 220V. > > -p > > On 3/3/2021 11:58 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: >> On 3/3/21, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> The weird thing was that I looked at all of the 220V breakers, >> Confused.com. I thought US domestic mains voltage was 110? >> >> >> >> > -- > Paul Sorenson > Studio1941 > > Sooner or later "different" scares people. > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. > -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com
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Stanley Halpin
Wed, Mar 3, 2021 7:28 PM

OK, inspired by Larry’s California Turkeys, I had to share a MIchigan Turkey. And while putting those 3 images up, I pulled out a small selection of other shots from this year, around the house.

On the Turkeys, we have 2-3 distinct groupings, all of which converge around the bird feeder when I put out seed in the morning. And at this time of year, 3-4 Toms will come strutting through to try and make an impression on the females and younger males. The three shots in this image set are all the same Tom, he is slightly smaller and less aggressive than the others, and so he gets pushed over to the side where I can get his portrait without the others cluttering up the frame.

https://adobe.ly/2Ofq5xU https://adobe.ly/2Ofq5xU

stan

On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Paul Sorenson pentax1941@gmail.com wrote:

Larry -

Doing your own repairs can be a royal pain in the ass sometimes, but...revel in the fact that you can still do it.  As you get older you'll find that the repairs you make still give you the satisfaction of completing them, but they take longer to accomplish.  But...even more difficult...is admitting to yourself "I have the skills; I have the tools, but I can't do this anymore."  It took me until about 75 to begin to give up on some household repairs, and now, nearly 5 years later it's still difficult.  When you spend a lifetime working with "the tools" maybe it never goes away.  Marcia has finally convinced me to stay off the roof.  😁

Back to photography...the turkey pix, I think, are better in this series than the last.  39960 is a pretty classic tom turkey look and 39968 - the tom with is harem of hens is fun.

-p

On 3/2/2021 4:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Not unless you count taking photos of the busted fanblade in my clothes dryer. Sometimes I really envy people with no mechanical skills who are forced to buy reliable appliances rather than being consigned to kludging things back together long past their “good by”, or their “goodbye” date.
I did waste a few megapixels on local fauna yesterday: turkeys, juncos, a robin and a couple of cows.  If you’re already bored nearly into a coma this may be slightly less boring:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157718487879546

There are two flocks of turkeys on my ride around the block. This is the small flock on the near side of the hill.

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Studio1941

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OK, inspired by Larry’s California Turkeys, I had to share a MIchigan Turkey. And while putting those 3 images up, I pulled out a small selection of other shots from this year, around the house. On the Turkeys, we have 2-3 distinct groupings, all of which converge around the bird feeder when I put out seed in the morning. And at this time of year, 3-4 Toms will come strutting through to try and make an impression on the females and younger males. The three shots in this image set are all the same Tom, he is slightly smaller and less aggressive than the others, and so he gets pushed over to the side where I can get his portrait without the others cluttering up the frame. https://adobe.ly/2Ofq5xU <https://adobe.ly/2Ofq5xU> stan > On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Paul Sorenson <pentax1941@gmail.com> wrote: > > Larry - > > Doing your own repairs can be a royal pain in the ass sometimes, but...revel in the fact that you can still do it. As you get older you'll find that the repairs you make still give you the satisfaction of completing them, but they take longer to accomplish. But...even more difficult...is admitting to yourself "I have the skills; I have the tools, but I can't do this anymore." It took me until about 75 to begin to give up on some household repairs, and now, nearly 5 years later it's still difficult. When you spend a lifetime working with "the tools" maybe it never goes away. Marcia has finally convinced me to stay off the roof. 😁 > > Back to photography...the turkey pix, I think, are better in this series than the last. 39960 is a pretty classic tom turkey look and 39968 - the tom with is harem of hens is fun. > > -p > > On 3/2/2021 4:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> Not unless you count taking photos of the busted fanblade in my clothes dryer. Sometimes I really envy people with no mechanical skills who are forced to buy reliable appliances rather than being consigned to kludging things back together long past their “good by”, or their “goodbye” date. >> I did waste a few megapixels on local fauna yesterday: turkeys, juncos, a robin and a couple of cows. If you’re already bored nearly into a coma this may be slightly less boring: >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157718487879546 >> >> There are two flocks of turkeys on my ride around the block. This is the small flock on the near side of the hill. >> >> > -- > Paul Sorenson > Studio1941 > > Sooner or later "different" scares people. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry Colen
Wed, Mar 3, 2021 7:33 PM

On Mar 3, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Stanley Halpin stan@stans-photography.info wrote:

OK, inspired by Larry’s California Turkeys, I had to share a MIchigan Turkey. And while putting those 3 images up, I pulled out a small selection of other shots from this year, around the house.

On the Turkeys, we have 2-3 distinct groupings, all of which converge around the bird feeder when I put out seed in the morning. And at this time of year, 3-4 Toms will come strutting through to try and make an impression on the females and younger males. The three shots in this image set are all the same Tom, he is slightly smaller and less aggressive than the others, and so he gets pushed over to the side where I can get his portrait without the others cluttering up the frame.

https://adobe.ly/2Ofq5xU https://adobe.ly/2Ofq5xU

That’s a nice set.  On my monitor the shadows look like they could be brought up a bit on a couple of the photos, particularly the turkey shots.

#4, that little black and white jobber is a great photo.

stan

On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Paul Sorenson pentax1941@gmail.com wrote:

Larry -

Doing your own repairs can be a royal pain in the ass sometimes, but...revel in the fact that you can still do it.  As you get older you'll find that the repairs you make still give you the satisfaction of completing them, but they take longer to accomplish.  But...even more difficult...is admitting to yourself "I have the skills; I have the tools, but I can't do this anymore."  It took me until about 75 to begin to give up on some household repairs, and now, nearly 5 years later it's still difficult.  When you spend a lifetime working with "the tools" maybe it never goes away.  Marcia has finally convinced me to stay off the roof.  😁

Back to photography...the turkey pix, I think, are better in this series than the last.  39960 is a pretty classic tom turkey look and 39968 - the tom with is harem of hens is fun.

-p

On 3/2/2021 4:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Not unless you count taking photos of the busted fanblade in my clothes dryer. Sometimes I really envy people with no mechanical skills who are forced to buy reliable appliances rather than being consigned to kludging things back together long past their “good by”, or their “goodbye” date.
I did waste a few megapixels on local fauna yesterday: turkeys, juncos, a robin and a couple of cows.  If you’re already bored nearly into a coma this may be slightly less boring:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157718487879546

There are two flocks of turkeys on my ride around the block. This is the small flock on the near side of the hill.

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Paul Sorenson
Studio1941

Sooner or later "different" scares people.

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> On Mar 3, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Stanley Halpin <stan@stans-photography.info> wrote: > > OK, inspired by Larry’s California Turkeys, I had to share a MIchigan Turkey. And while putting those 3 images up, I pulled out a small selection of other shots from this year, around the house. > > On the Turkeys, we have 2-3 distinct groupings, all of which converge around the bird feeder when I put out seed in the morning. And at this time of year, 3-4 Toms will come strutting through to try and make an impression on the females and younger males. The three shots in this image set are all the same Tom, he is slightly smaller and less aggressive than the others, and so he gets pushed over to the side where I can get his portrait without the others cluttering up the frame. > > https://adobe.ly/2Ofq5xU <https://adobe.ly/2Ofq5xU> That’s a nice set. On my monitor the shadows look like they could be brought up a bit on a couple of the photos, particularly the turkey shots. #4, that little black and white jobber is a great photo. > > stan > >> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Paul Sorenson <pentax1941@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Larry - >> >> Doing your own repairs can be a royal pain in the ass sometimes, but...revel in the fact that you can still do it. As you get older you'll find that the repairs you make still give you the satisfaction of completing them, but they take longer to accomplish. But...even more difficult...is admitting to yourself "I have the skills; I have the tools, but I can't do this anymore." It took me until about 75 to begin to give up on some household repairs, and now, nearly 5 years later it's still difficult. When you spend a lifetime working with "the tools" maybe it never goes away. Marcia has finally convinced me to stay off the roof. 😁 >> >> Back to photography...the turkey pix, I think, are better in this series than the last. 39960 is a pretty classic tom turkey look and 39968 - the tom with is harem of hens is fun. >> >> -p >> >> On 3/2/2021 4:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> Not unless you count taking photos of the busted fanblade in my clothes dryer. Sometimes I really envy people with no mechanical skills who are forced to buy reliable appliances rather than being consigned to kludging things back together long past their “good by”, or their “goodbye” date. >>> I did waste a few megapixels on local fauna yesterday: turkeys, juncos, a robin and a couple of cows. If you’re already bored nearly into a coma this may be slightly less boring: >>> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157718487879546 >>> >>> There are two flocks of turkeys on my ride around the block. This is the small flock on the near side of the hill. >>> >>> >> -- >> Paul Sorenson >> Studio1941 >> >> Sooner or later "different" scares people. >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. > -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com
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John
Thu, Mar 4, 2021 6:41 PM

On 3/3/2021 12:13:38, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 3, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Paul Sorenson pentax1941@gmail.com wrote:

Larry -

Doing your own repairs can be a royal pain in the ass sometimes,
but...revel in the fact that you can still do it.

The ideal is to be able to do it, but not be forced to do it. I’d happily
settle for owning things that didn’t break down and need constant repair.

When did you buy the dryer? Who made it? How long did it run before you had to
make repairs?

I've got a 30-40 year old Whirlpool (gas) dryer and the only repair I've ever
had to make on it is to replace the belt that turns the drum.

It doesn't have a fan AFAIK.

But...even more difficult...is admitting to yourself "I have the skills; I
have the tools, but I can't do this anymore."  It took me until about 75 to
begin to give up on some household repairs, and now, nearly 5 years later
it's still difficult.  When you spend a lifetime working with "the tools"
maybe it never goes away.  Marcia has finally convinced me to stay off the
roof.  😁

Falling off a roof can be even more inconvenient than needing to get someone
of else to go on it, not only for you but for the people stuck with taking
care what’s left of you.

That's why roofers use fall prevention systems.

I'm getting too old (if I haven't already) to get up there, but I don't have the
money to pay someone else to do it (or the damn thing would already be fixed).
Couldn't do it this winter, it was too cold & too rainy.

But now that spring is here ... Wish me luck.

PS: I HAVE the fall prevention equipment AND a scaffold to catch me if I do go
off the edge and I'm still too damn old.

--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

On 3/3/2021 12:13:38, Larry Colen wrote: > > >> On Mar 3, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Paul Sorenson <pentax1941@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Larry - >> >> Doing your own repairs can be a royal pain in the ass sometimes, >> but...revel in the fact that you can still do it. > > The ideal is to be able to do it, but not be forced to do it. I’d happily > settle for owning things that didn’t break down and need constant repair. > When did you buy the dryer? Who made it? How long did it run before you had to make repairs? I've got a 30-40 year old Whirlpool (gas) dryer and the only repair I've ever had to make on it is to replace the belt that turns the drum. It doesn't have a fan AFAIK. >> But...even more difficult...is admitting to yourself "I have the skills; I >> have the tools, but I can't do this anymore." It took me until about 75 to >> begin to give up on some household repairs, and now, nearly 5 years later >> it's still difficult. When you spend a lifetime working with "the tools" >> maybe it never goes away. Marcia has finally convinced me to stay off the >> roof. 😁 > > Falling off a roof can be even more inconvenient than needing to get someone > of else to go on it, not only for you but for the people stuck with taking > care what’s left of you. That's why roofers use fall prevention systems. I'm getting too old (if I haven't already) to get up there, but I don't have the money to pay someone else to do it (or the damn thing would already be fixed). Couldn't do it this winter, it was too cold & too rainy. But now that spring is here ... Wish me luck. PS: I *HAVE* the fall prevention equipment AND a scaffold to catch me if I do go off the edge and I'm still too damn old. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question.