I think that the serape of snark is large enough to cover more than one person in this discussion. I have noticed that when there is something that doesn’t appeal to a particular person, they tend to pronounce that it is useless, without considering that it could be a perfect fit for someone else. I think that it is kind of silly for someone to buy a brand new film camera when perfectly servicable ones are practically being given away. I personally bought several when I got back into photography because I wanted the lens that came with it. I honestly lost count of the number of spotties languishing in my drawers, just because I wanted the 50/1.4 supertak that was attached to them. However, if Ricoh can start getting some cash flow by leveraging the basic guts of an incipient film SLR by putting together a simple rangefinder camera, more power to them. > On May 16, 2023, at 10:20 AM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: > > Paul you lose any credibility you might have had when you resort to ad > hominem attacks. > > bill > > On Tue., May 16, 2023, 10:33 a.m. Paul Stenquist, <pnstenquist@comcast.net> > wrote: > >> >> >>> On May 16, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> One could say the same thing about someone's split window Corvette that >>> spends it's life locked in a trailer, only to be seen at car shows.. >> >> Perhaps, if one were given to exaggeration and fuzzy thinking. >> Yes, the camera has some value, but I think that for most of us, it’s not >> particularly useful. You can feel differently of course. >> Paul > -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from ret13est

> On May 16, 2023, at 12:34 PM, Larry Colen <lrc@red4est.com> wrote: > > …. > I have noticed that when there is something that doesn’t appeal to a particular person, they tend to pronounce that it is useless, without considering that it could be a perfect fit for someone else. > > I think that it is kind of silly for someone to buy a brand new film camera when perfectly servicable ones are practically being given away…. Hmm. ——————————— Eric Weir Atlanta, GA USA “It has all been combustion.” - W.G. Sebald

Thisis all a bit silly. I commented that the camera is useless. That was my comment, and it applies to me alone. The Corvette metaphor was over the top. Enough of this. > On May 16, 2023, at 1:20 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: > > Paul you lose any credibility you might have had when you resort to ad > hominem attacks. > > bill > > On Tue., May 16, 2023, 10:33 a.m. Paul Stenquist, <pnstenquist@comcast.net> > wrote: > >> >> >>> On May 16, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> One could say the same thing about someone's split window Corvette that >>> spends it's life locked in a trailer, only to be seen at car shows.. >> >> Perhaps, if one were given to exaggeration and fuzzy thinking. >> Yes, the camera has some value, but I think that for most of us, it’s not >> particularly useful. You can feel differently of course. >> Paul >> >>> >>> If there is full follow through on this, they will be releasing four film >>> cameras to go after a resurgent market that is being underserved. >>> Pentax has also announced that the old FA50/1.4 is being given some >>> cosmetic updates (sadly, no optical ones from the looks of it), into two >>> sister models which indicates that they are planning something other than >>> an inexpensive standard prime for digital. >>> >>> bill >>> >>> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 4:19 AM Paul Stenquist <pnstenquist@mac.com> >> wrote: >>> >>>> A useless toy. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>>> On May 16, 2023, at 5:14 AM, Steve Cottrell <cotty@seeingeye.tv> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>  >>>>> >>>> >> https://petapixel.com/2023/05/15/pentaxs-new-film-camera-will-have-a-fixed-non-interchangeable-lens/ >>>>> -- >>>>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> -- >>>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Useless for you is not the same as useless. Just sayin. More clarity from you when you put your thoughts to words goes a long way to avoiding misunderstanding. As for the Corvette, they are all useless, depending on one's POV. As an aside, on the 2022 Vette, it's 11 hours of book time to change the water pump. What is GM thinking when they design these things? bill On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 12:02 PM Paul Stenquist <pnstenquist@comcast.net> wrote: > Thisis all a bit silly. I commented that the camera is useless. That was > my comment, and it applies to me alone. The Corvette metaphor was over the > top. Enough of this. > > > >

Another link: https://www.dpreview.com/news/2093227531/pentax-s-first-film-camera-will-be-a-compact-with-a-fixed-lens-but-hints-a-film-slr-may-be-next

even more surprising news: dpreview is still alive! On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 12:37, Steve Cottrell <cotty@seeingeye.tv> wrote: > Another link: > > > https://www.dpreview.com/news/2093227531/pentax-s-first-film-camera-will-be-a-compact-with-a-fixed-lens-but-hints-a-film-slr-may-be-next > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. >

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 12:47:12PM +0200, Toine wrote: > even more surprising news: dpreview is still alive! That's good news! I had spotted that the archive wasn't going to disappear, but I wasn't expecting to see any further news items.