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Paul Sorenson

Thu, May 27, 2021 2:16 PM

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Toine

Thu, May 27, 2021 2:28 PM

Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about
IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like
monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold

On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 16:16, Paul Sorenson pentax1941@gmail.com wrote:

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Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 16:16, Paul Sorenson <pentax1941@gmail.com> wrote: > > https://www.dpreview.com/videos/6159040727/going-out-of-this-world-with-neil-buckland-and-the-pentax-k-3-iii?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-may-26&ref_=pe_1822230_585762530_dpr_nl_479_15 > > -- > Paul Sorenson > Studio1941 > > Sooner or later "different" scares people. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

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Ralf R Radermacher

Thu, May 27, 2021 2:48 PM

Am 27.05.21 um 16:28 schrieb Toine:

Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about
IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like
monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold

More like the famous wax crayon and finger paint filters, I suppose...

Ralf

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Am 27.05.21 um 16:28 schrieb Toine: > Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about > IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like > monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold More like the famous wax crayon and finger paint filters, I suppose... Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de

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Bill

Thu, May 27, 2021 4:22 PM

On Thu., May 27, 2021, 8:28 a.m. Toine, toine@repiuk.nl wrote:

Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about
IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like
monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold

The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people
who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this
case, infrared film, and how it translates the invisible to the eye into
something visible and have the camera emulate the result from that
characteristic curve.

The result should be a very accurate facsimile of what IR fm does.
The smart person would look at the results with an open mind prior to
labeling them "silly".

bill

On Thu., May 27, 2021, 8:28 a.m. Toine, <toine@repiuk.nl> wrote: > Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about > IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like > monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold > The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this case, infrared film, and how it translates the invisible to the eye into something visible and have the camera emulate the result from that characteristic curve. The result should be a very accurate facsimile of what IR fm does. The smart person would look at the results with an open mind prior to labeling them "silly". bill

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Toine

Thu, May 27, 2021 5:36 PM

Pfff... I guess your the smart person in this setup. And yes it's
silly especially for a $2000 cam.
Goodbye everyone

Pfff... I guess your the smart person in this setup. And yes it's silly especially for a $2000 cam. Goodbye everyone

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Larry Colen

Thu, May 27, 2021 5:43 PM

On May 27, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu., May 27, 2021, 8:28 a.m. Toine, toine@repiuk.nl wrote:

Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about
IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like
monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold

The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people
who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this
case, infrared film, and how it translates the invisible to the eye into
something visible and have the camera emulate the result from that
characteristic curve.

The result should be a very accurate facsimile of what IR fm does.
The smart person would look at the results with an open mind prior to
labeling them "silly”.

If I can’t pull out my IR panel lamp in a dark room and get photos, then it doesn’t translate IR like film.

The smart person would just do conversion to something that looks like IR film in post processing.

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> On May 27, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu., May 27, 2021, 8:28 a.m. Toine, <toine@repiuk.nl> wrote: > >> Monochrome and IR mode??? That would be monochrome jpg? And what about >> IR mode, does it really record IR or just some silly IR look a like >> monochrome. If it records real IR I'm sold >> > > The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people > who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this > case, infrared film, and how it translates the invisible to the eye into > something visible and have the camera emulate the result from that > characteristic curve. > > The result should be a very accurate facsimile of what IR fm does. > The smart person would look at the results with an open mind prior to > labeling them "silly”. If I can’t pull out my IR panel lamp in a dark room and get photos, then it doesn’t translate IR like film. The smart person would just do conversion to something that looks like IR film in post processing. -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com

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rrvelar@virginmedia.com

Thu, May 27, 2021 5:43 PM

Bill wrote:

The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people
who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this
case, infrared film, and how it translates the invisible to the eye into
something visible and have the camera emulate the result from that
characteristic curve.

The result should be a very accurate facsimile of what IR fm does.
The smart person would look at the results with an open mind prior to
labeling them "silly".

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No idea how well it works with these features but I've been mightily
impressed so far. I'll certainly try those modes out and see how they
perform.

Malcolm

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Bill wrote: The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this case, infrared film, and how it translates the invisible to the eye into something visible and have the camera emulate the result from that characteristic curve. The result should be a very accurate facsimile of what IR fm does. The smart person would look at the results with an open mind prior to labeling them "silly". ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ No idea how well it works with these features but I've been mightily impressed so far. I'll certainly try those modes out and see how they perform. Malcolm -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

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Ralf R Radermacher

Thu, May 27, 2021 8:08 PM

Am 27.05.21 um 18:22 schrieb Bill:

The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people
who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this
case, infrared film...

You can't make something out of nothing. Normal DSLRs have a strong
anti-IR-filter in front of the sensor.

If the infrared light doesn't reach the sensor you can't make it
magically reappear using a 'curve'. It will never look like the real thing:

https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101

It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording.

Ralf

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Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
Web : http://www.fotoralf.de

Am 27.05.21 um 18:22 schrieb Bill: > The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the people > who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in this > case, infrared film... You can't make something out of nothing. Normal DSLRs have a strong anti-IR-filter in front of the sensor. If the infrared light doesn't reach the sensor you can't make it magically reappear using a 'curve'. It will never look like the real thing: https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101 It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de

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Bill

Thu, May 27, 2021 9:15 PM

On Thu., May 27, 2021, 2:09 p.m. Ralf R Radermacher, fotoralf@gmx.de
wrote:

Am 27.05.21 um 18:22 schrieb Bill:

The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the

people

who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in

this

case, infrared film...

You can't make something out of nothing. Normal DSLRs have a strong
anti-IR-filter in front of the sensor.

If the infrared light doesn't reach the sensor you can't make it
magically reappear using a 'curve'. It will never look like the real thing:

https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101

It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording.

Infrared film is effectively making something out of nothing in that it is
translating something we can't see into something we can see.
It's not a big leap to think that software can be written to emulate it.
Oh wait, it already can.
It's also not a big leap to think it can't be done better than how it was
before.

bill

On Thu., May 27, 2021, 2:09 p.m. Ralf R Radermacher, <fotoralf@gmx.de> wrote: > Am 27.05.21 um 18:22 schrieb Bill: > > > The interesting thing about computers that take pictures is that the > people > > who write the software can program in the characteristic curve of, in > this > > case, infrared film... > > You can't make something out of nothing. Normal DSLRs have a strong > anti-IR-filter in front of the sensor. > > If the infrared light doesn't reach the sensor you can't make it > magically reappear using a 'curve'. It will never look like the real thing: > > https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101 > > It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording. > Infrared film is effectively making something out of nothing in that it is translating something we can't see into something we can see. It's not a big leap to think that software can be written to emulate it. Oh wait, it already can. It's also not a big leap to think it can't be done better than how it was before. bill >

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Larry Colen

Thu, May 27, 2021 9:50 PM

On May 27, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com wrote:

It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording.

Infrared film is effectively making something out of nothing in that it is
translating something we can't see into something we can see.
It's not a big leap to think that software can be written to emulate it.
Oh wait, it already can.
It's also not a big leap to think it can't be done better than how it was
before.

bill

Nope, not how it works. If you leave the lens cap on your camera, no matter what you to do the processing curves you aren’t going to get a photo.

The IR blocking filter does the same, just for light longer than about 600nm wl.

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Larry Colen
lrc@red4est.com

> On May 27, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It's like trying to fake stereo out of a mono recording. >> > > Infrared film is effectively making something out of nothing in that it is > translating something we can't see into something we can see. > It's not a big leap to think that software can be written to emulate it. > Oh wait, it already can. > It's also not a big leap to think it can't be done better than how it was > before. > > bill Nope, not how it works. If you leave the lens cap on your camera, no matter what you to do the processing curves you aren’t going to get a photo. The IR blocking filter does the same, just for light longer than about 600nm wl. -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com

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