PDML - PDFG ?
I don’t mean to disparage Usenet. Just pointing out that it’s old and now somewhat obscure. Email, by the way has benefited from its universality and consequently, the continuous refinement of email apps.
Paul
On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com wrote:
On Jan 10, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Comcast pnstenquist@comcast.net wrote:
Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and the like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s rather inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.
I resemble that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
I looked up RFC 850, and it dates to 1983, so the transition from UUCP to the internet is about 40 years old, so it’s not like it’s recent. One could also say a lot of the same things about email (and yes red4est used to get its email via dial up uucp and bang path) but it’s not like people tend to disparage email as something that people used to do over their phones.
Hmm, the more things change…
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I was on Usenet starting in 1984 when I was working at JPL/NASA. The modern hypertext-based internet and "world wide web" dates from around 1993 when the first web browsers started to appear. That's about when I stopped looking at Usenet and other archaic-isms from the 1980s. Email lists became popular a little earlier than the web browsers, and many of the groups I still participate in are still on email services that were first defined in 1990 and 1991.
G
On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Comcast pnstenquist@comcast.net wrote:
I don’t mean to disparage Usenet. Just pointing out that it’s old and now somewhat obscure. Email, by the way has benefited from its universality and consequently, the continuous refinement of email apps.
Paul
On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com wrote:
On Jan 10, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Comcast pnstenquist@comcast.net wrote:
Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and the like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s rather inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.
I resemble that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
I looked up RFC 850, and it dates to 1983, so the transition from UUCP to the internet is about 40 years old, so it’s not like it’s recent. One could also say a lot of the same things about email (and yes red4est used to get its email via dial up uucp and bang path) but it’s not like people tend to disparage email as something that people used to do over their phones.
Hmm, the more things change…
On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Comcast pnstenquist@comcast.net wrote:
I don’t mean to disparage Usenet. Just pointing out that it’s old and now somewhat obscure.
I took no offense, besides in this group “old and now somewhat obscure” probably comes off as a glowing recommendation.
Email, by the way has benefited from its universality and consequently, the continuous refinement of email apps.
And has suffered from the same prevalence of spam that took down usenet. Coincidentally, the one other email list that I frequent is a group of friends that I met on a usenet group, which also had some of the best writers I know.
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On 11/01/2023 01:28 Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com wrote:
On Jan 10, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Comcast pnstenquist@comcast.net wrote:
Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and the like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s rather inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.
I resemble that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
I looked up RFC 850, and it dates to 1983, so the transition from UUCP to the internet is about 40 years old, so it’s not like it’s recent. One could also say a lot of the same things about email (and yes red4est used to get its email via dial up uucp and bang path) but it’s not like people tend to disparage email as something that people used to do over their phones.
A bang path sounds a bit scary, just to get your email. Or maybe it's a bit pleasurable.
You're right.
Hmm, the more things change…
On Jan 10, 2023, at 10:15 PM, mike wilson m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com wrote:
A bang path sounds a bit scary, just to get your email. Or maybe it's a bit pleasurable.
I take it you never went to an “at bang party”.
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On 11/01/2023 06:37 Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com wrote:
On Jan 10, 2023, at 10:15 PM, mike wilson m.9.wilson@ntlworld.com wrote:
A bang path sounds a bit scary, just to get your email. Or maybe it's a bit pleasurable.
I take it you never went to an “at bang party”.
5th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
A lot of colleges & universities provided students with "news" accounts.
See also: Eternal September
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Eternal%20September
I got a job with a computer company in November 1994 and they introduced
me to the internet. Before that I had used dial-up message boards (BBS
systems) and Usenet was very similar. Nowadays that function is kind of
served by BLOG comments (those blogs that still allow comments).
Many ISPs did away with their "news" servers in the mid-2000s. Time
Warner did in 2006. Losing those discussion groups was kind of what led
me to PDML.
But Usenet is mostly dead now, although there is still a good binaries
group where fans will post Dr Who episodes.
PS: Fun Fact - Usenet was originally invented by a couple of CS grad
students at Duke University in Durham, NC where I grew up ... so they
could trade messages with CS grad students over at UNC in Chapel Hill.
On 1/10/2023 5:07 PM, Comcast wrote:
Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and the like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s rather inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.
Paul
On Jan 10, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Steve Cottrell cotty@seeingeye.tv wrote:
If I knew what a UseNet was it might help ;-)
The PDFG now has 25 members and is an extension of this list - not a replacement! I will try and drive traffic to the list where I can, and promote the PUG, but to be honest it’s mostly PDML members.
Sent from my flu-ridden bed!
Cot
On 10 Jan 2023, at 21:27, John Sessoms jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:
What about starting a Pentax UseNet group?
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Usenet is also pretty much DEAD. The discussion groups have all been
long ago over-run by TROLLS. There's really no chance of discussing
anything there.
I was just goofing when I suggested it. 🙃
Facebook is fine, but I don't have an account, so I wouldn't see a PDML
group there. Hopefully the mail list will continue to suffice.
On 1/10/2023 10:02 PM, Comcast wrote:
I don’t mean to disparage Usenet. Just pointing out that it’s old and now somewhat obscure. Email, by the way has benefited from its universality and consequently, the continuous refinement of email apps.
Paul
On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com wrote:
On Jan 10, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Comcast pnstenquist@comcast.net wrote:
Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and the like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s rather inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.
I resemble that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
I looked up RFC 850, and it dates to 1983, so the transition from UUCP to the internet is about 40 years old, so it’s not like it’s recent. One could also say a lot of the same things about email (and yes red4est used to get its email via dial up uucp and bang path) but it’s not like people tend to disparage email as something that people used to do over their phones.
Hmm, the more things change…
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John I have an amazing suggestion that you might consider.
Go to Facebook, and click on ‘create account’ and once you reach the part where it wants you to enter your name, why not stick an anagram in, or just make a name up? You could use the account then as basically a spoof just to view things.
Or maybe I’m missing the point here…
Best
Cot
On 11 Jan 2023, at 23:53, John Sessoms jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:
Facebook is fine, but I don't have an account
I have bad news for you John. There is no PDML group there on FB. The PDML is right here!!
There is a separate thing - a test - maybe an ‘extension’, maybe not, called the PDFG that has 27 members and quite a disturbing amount of cormorant photographs.
But I’ll shut up about it now as I don’t want to upset any folk here. The PDML will be what the PDML wants to be :-)
Cotty
On 11 Jan 2023, at 23:53, John Sessoms jsessoms002@nc.rr.com wrote:
so I wouldn't see a PDML group there