On 4/8/2021 10:11:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: > On 8/4/21, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Astra Zeneca. They got loads of that now and us over 60s could apply to be >> vaccined well ahead of our planned time. I wasn't exactly enthousiastic but >> Michael gently nudged me (at least that's what he calls it). > > I've had my first AZ and felt fine for the first 12 hours or so - then had > fluey feeling, inc an hour of chills, then slept and in the morning was okay, > fine later that day. No arm pain at all. > > The incidence of fatal blood clotting is approx 1 in a million. The incidence > of blood clotting from taking the birth control pill (say) is 1 in 1000. Too > low to be worried about it. > > > > > > The news I've read about it says they know what causes the blood clots & apparently a simple standard blood test will reveal if you have the condition that will lead to the clotting reaction (high red blood cell count IIRC). They should be able to screen for the vulnerability and give those people a different vaccine. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question.

On 4/9/2021 11:43 AM, John wrote: > On 4/8/2021 10:11:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: >> On 8/4/21, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> Astra Zeneca. They got loads of that now and us over 60s could apply >>> to be >>> vaccined well ahead of our planned time. I wasn't exactly >>> enthousiastic but >>> Michael gently nudged me (at least that's what he calls it). >> >> I've had my first AZ and felt fine for the first 12 hours or so - then >> had >> fluey feeling, inc an hour of chills, then slept and in the morning >> was okay, >> fine later that day. No arm pain at all. >> >> The incidence of fatal blood clotting is approx 1 in a million. The >> incidence >> of blood clotting from taking the birth control pill (say) is 1 in >> 1000. Too >> low to be worried about it. You can tell the AstraZenica vaccine was built by a bunch of eggheads in a university lab while the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were built by corporations by the amount of bullshit AstraZeneca is going through because they aren't any good at navigating the political bullshit. bill

Paul > On Apr 9, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 4/9/2021 11:43 AM, John wrote: >>> On 4/8/2021 10:11:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: >>> On 8/4/21, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> >>>> Astra Zeneca. They got loads of that now and us over 60s could apply to be >>>> vaccined well ahead of our planned time. I wasn't exactly enthousiastic but >>>> Michael gently nudged me (at least that's what he calls it). >>> >>> I've had my first AZ and felt fine for the first 12 hours or so - then had >>> fluey feeling, inc an hour of chills, then slept and in the morning was okay, >>> fine later that day. No arm pain at all. >>> >>> The incidence of fatal blood clotting is approx 1 in a million. The incidence >>> of blood clotting from taking the birth control pill (say) is 1 in 1000. Too >>> low to be worried about it. > > You can tell the AstraZenica vaccine was built by a bunch of eggheads in a university lab while the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were built by corporations by the amount of bullshit AstraZeneca is going through because they aren't any good at navigating the political bullshit. > > bill And their problems are compounded by a lack of quality control and in-house manufacturing capability. I got Pfizer and couldn’t be more pleased. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

I heard Moderna and J&J are killing shipments due to QC issues, Pfizer has had numerous QC violations in their plants as well. I didn't realize a particular vaccine was some sort of badge of honor. Apparently they all do pretty much the same thing. bill On Fri., Apr. 9, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Paul Stenquist, <pnstenquist@mac.com> wrote: > > > Paul > > > On Apr 9, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 4/9/2021 11:43 AM, John wrote: > >>> On 4/8/2021 10:11:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: > >>> On 8/4/21, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>> > >>>> Astra Zeneca. They got loads of that now and us over 60s could apply > to be > >>>> vaccined well ahead of our planned time. I wasn't exactly > enthousiastic but > >>>> Michael gently nudged me (at least that's what he calls it). > >>> > >>> I've had my first AZ and felt fine for the first 12 hours or so - then > had > >>> fluey feeling, inc an hour of chills, then slept and in the morning > was okay, > >>> fine later that day. No arm pain at all. > >>> > >>> The incidence of fatal blood clotting is approx 1 in a million. The > incidence > >>> of blood clotting from taking the birth control pill (say) is 1 in > 1000. Too > >>> low to be worried about it. > > > > You can tell the AstraZenica vaccine was built by a bunch of eggheads in > a university lab while the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were built by > corporations by the amount of bullshit AstraZeneca is going through because > they aren't any good at navigating the political bullshit. > > > > bill > > And their problems are compounded by a lack of quality control and > in-house manufacturing capability. I got Pfizer and couldn’t be more > pleased. > > -- > > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions.

Pfizer and Modena claim to have better test numbers than the others, so many are responding to that. We looked everywhere and were prepared to take the first one we could get. In Michigan, odds on that would be Pfizer. Paul > On Apr 9, 2021, at 7:35 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: > > I heard Moderna and J&J are killing shipments due to QC issues, Pfizer has > had numerous QC violations in their plants as well. > > I didn't realize a particular vaccine was some sort of badge of honor. > Apparently they all do pretty much the same thing. > > bill > >> On Fri., Apr. 9, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Paul Stenquist, <pnstenquist@mac.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Paul >> >>>> On Apr 9, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 4/9/2021 11:43 AM, John wrote: >>>>> On 4/8/2021 10:11:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: >>>>> On 8/4/21, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: >>>>> >>>>>> Astra Zeneca. They got loads of that now and us over 60s could apply >> to be >>>>>> vaccined well ahead of our planned time. I wasn't exactly >> enthousiastic but >>>>>> Michael gently nudged me (at least that's what he calls it). >>>>> >>>>> I've had my first AZ and felt fine for the first 12 hours or so - then >> had >>>>> fluey feeling, inc an hour of chills, then slept and in the morning >> was okay, >>>>> fine later that day. No arm pain at all. >>>>> >>>>> The incidence of fatal blood clotting is approx 1 in a million. The >> incidence >>>>> of blood clotting from taking the birth control pill (say) is 1 in >> 1000. Too >>>>> low to be worried about it. >>> >>> You can tell the AstraZenica vaccine was built by a bunch of eggheads in >> a university lab while the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were built by >> corporations by the amount of bullshit AstraZeneca is going through because >> they aren't any good at navigating the political bullshit. >>> >>> bill >> >> And their problems are compounded by a lack of quality control and >> in-house manufacturing capability. I got Pfizer and couldn’t be more >> pleased. >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

The test number difference is primarily due to differences in procedure. From what I've gathered. Pfizer/ Moderna were more gearing their tests towards getting positive results. I read a report, I believe in the Guardian, that the Pfizer vaccine (and I presume Moderna, since they are practically identical technology) have efficacy rates somewhat below 90% , while Oxford (and probably J&J) are slightly below 80% in the real world These are all fantastic numbers for a vaccine, efficacy numbers rarely rise above an actual 50% J&J is apparently having the same blood clotting issues that Oxford is having. No surprise since they are similar technology as well. All seem to have reasonable effect on both the Brazilian and Kent variants, and are pretty useless against the South African variant. Where I am, the wild virus seems to be on the verge of having run it's course, and we are seeing more new cases of the B.1.1.7 UK with a smattering of B.1.351 SA variants. I suspect we are going to be playing whack-a-mole with Covid19 for a very long time, especially since a significant percentage of populations seem intent on engaging in activities that guarantee the spread of it. bill On 4/9/2021 5:46 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Pfizer and Modena claim to have better test numbers than the others, so many are responding to that. We looked everywhere and were prepared to take the first one we could get. In Michigan, odds on that would be Pfizer. > > Paul > >> On Apr 9, 2021, at 7:35 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I heard Moderna and J&J are killing shipments due to QC issues, Pfizer has >> had numerous QC violations in their plants as well. >> >> I didn't realize a particular vaccine was some sort of badge of honor. >> Apparently they all do pretty much the same thing. >> >> bill >> >>> On Fri., Apr. 9, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Paul Stenquist, <pnstenquist@mac.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul >>> >>>>> On Apr 9, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 4/9/2021 11:43 AM, John wrote: >>>>>> On 4/8/2021 10:11:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: >>>>>> On 8/4/21, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Astra Zeneca. They got loads of that now and us over 60s could apply >>> to be >>>>>>> vaccined well ahead of our planned time. I wasn't exactly >>> enthousiastic but >>>>>>> Michael gently nudged me (at least that's what he calls it). >>>>>> >>>>>> I've had my first AZ and felt fine for the first 12 hours or so - then >>> had >>>>>> fluey feeling, inc an hour of chills, then slept and in the morning >>> was okay, >>>>>> fine later that day. No arm pain at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> The incidence of fatal blood clotting is approx 1 in a million. The >>> incidence >>>>>> of blood clotting from taking the birth control pill (say) is 1 in >>> 1000. Too >>>>>> low to be worried about it. >>>> >>>> You can tell the AstraZenica vaccine was built by a bunch of eggheads in >>> a university lab while the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were built by >>> corporations by the amount of bullshit AstraZeneca is going through because >>> they aren't any good at navigating the political bullshit. >>>> >>>> bill >>> >>> And their problems are compounded by a lack of quality control and >>> in-house manufacturing capability. I got Pfizer and couldn’t be more >>> pleased. >>>> -- >>>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-leave@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >

Yeah. I got the Pfizer, but I got Pfizer because Pfizer was what the VA had available when I became eligible. I don't know if the hospital in Durham got Moderna AND Pfizer or just the Pfizer and I don't really care. I took what they gave me and was happy to get it. AstraZeneca hadn't been approved yet when I got my vaccination & I don't know if the VA is using it now or not. Funny thing ... I had an actual real live face to face doctor's appointment over at the VA hospital ENT clinic Friday and while I was waiting they had people come by and ask people if they wanted to get vaccinated. Of course I told them I'd already had mine. On 4/9/2021 19:46:52, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Pfizer and Modena claim to have better test numbers than the others, so many > are responding to that. We looked everywhere and were prepared to take the > first one we could get. In Michigan, odds on that would be Pfizer. > > Paul > >> On Apr 9, 2021, at 7:35 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I heard Moderna and J&J are killing shipments due to QC issues, Pfizer has >> had numerous QC violations in their plants as well. >> >> I didn't realize a particular vaccine was some sort of badge of honor. >> Apparently they all do pretty much the same thing. >> >> bill >> >>> On Fri., Apr. 9, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Paul Stenquist, <pnstenquist@mac.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul >>> >>>>> On Apr 9, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 4/9/2021 11:43 AM, John wrote: >>>>>> On 4/8/2021 10:11:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: >>>>>> On 8/4/21, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Astra Zeneca. They got loads of that now and us over 60s could apply >>> to be >>>>>>> vaccined well ahead of our planned time. I wasn't exactly >>> enthousiastic but >>>>>>> Michael gently nudged me (at least that's what he calls it). >>>>>> >>>>>> I've had my first AZ and felt fine for the first 12 hours or so - then >>> had >>>>>> fluey feeling, inc an hour of chills, then slept and in the morning >>> was okay, >>>>>> fine later that day. No arm pain at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> The incidence of fatal blood clotting is approx 1 in a million. The >>> incidence >>>>>> of blood clotting from taking the birth control pill (say) is 1 in >>> 1000. Too >>>>>> low to be worried about it. >>>> >>>> You can tell the AstraZenica vaccine was built by a bunch of eggheads in >>> a university lab while the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were built by >>> corporations by the amount of bullshit AstraZeneca is going through because >>> they aren't any good at navigating the political bullshit. >>>> >>>> bill >>> -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question.

> On 10 April 2021 at 00:34 Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I heard Moderna and J&J are killing shipments due to QC issues, Pfizer has > had numerous QC violations in their plants as well. All pretty normal when dealing with living organisms. My wife was known as the Angel of Doom when she worked in a QC lab for a production process that involved batching living cultures. At least one in five batches had to be tossed due to contamination. > > I didn't realize a particular vaccine was some sort of badge of honor. > Apparently they all do pretty much the same thing. The end result is somewhat similar, albeit with varying levels of success. Still better than getting a dose of the disease, though, whichever option you end up with. The route the vaccines go to achieve that immunity is what varies considerably. > > bill > > On Fri., Apr. 9, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Paul Stenquist, <pnstenquist@mac.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > On Apr 9, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Bill <anotherdrunkensot@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 4/9/2021 11:43 AM, John wrote: > > >>> On 4/8/2021 10:11:57, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > >>> On 8/4/21, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >>> > > >>>> Astra Zeneca. They got loads of that now and us over 60s could apply > > to be > > >>>> vaccined well ahead of our planned time. I wasn't exactly > > enthousiastic but > > >>>> Michael gently nudged me (at least that's what he calls it). > > >>> > > >>> I've had my first AZ and felt fine for the first 12 hours or so - then > > had > > >>> fluey feeling, inc an hour of chills, then slept and in the morning > > was okay, > > >>> fine later that day. No arm pain at all. > > >>> > > >>> The incidence of fatal blood clotting is approx 1 in a million. The > > incidence > > >>> of blood clotting from taking the birth control pill (say) is 1 in > > 1000. Too > > >>> low to be worried about it. > > > > > > You can tell the AstraZenica vaccine was built by a bunch of eggheads in > > a university lab while the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were built by > > corporations by the amount of bullshit AstraZeneca is going through because > > they aren't any good at navigating the political bullshit. > > > > > > bill > > > > And their problems are compounded by a lack of quality control and > > in-house manufacturing capability. I got Pfizer and couldn’t be more > > pleased. > > > --