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Re: A* 600/5.6 question

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jtainter
Mon, Jun 28, 2021 5:22 AM

Bill wrote:

"Does anyone know if the above mentioned lens needs a filter in the  filter drawer to achieve it's maximum magic?
"Thanks"

Bill, the F* and FA* 600 F4 lenses do require a filter as part of the optical system. I would therefore suspect that the A* 600 does also.

Joe

Bill wrote: "Does anyone know if the above mentioned lens needs a filter in the filter drawer to achieve it's maximum magic? "Thanks" Bill, the F* and FA* 600 F4 lenses do require a filter as part of the optical system. I would therefore suspect that the A* 600 does also. Joe
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David Mann
Mon, Jun 28, 2021 5:49 AM

On Jun 28, 2021, at 5:22 PM, jtainter jtainter@mindspring.com wrote:

Bill wrote:

"Does anyone know if the above mentioned lens needs a filter in the  filter drawer to achieve it's maximum magic?
"Thanks"

Bill, the F* and FA* 600 F4 lenses do require a filter as part of the optical system. I would therefore suspect that the A* 600 does also.

I just had a look at the optical diagrams on the K-Mount Page.  The F / FA optical diagram shows the filter as part of the optics but the A* 600/5.6 doesn't.  I certainly wouldn't take that as gospel as I don't know where those diagrams come from.  I'd tend to assume that any lens with a filter drawer would need the filter.  Clear as mud :D

Cheers,
Dave

On Jun 28, 2021, at 5:22 PM, jtainter <jtainter@mindspring.com> wrote: > Bill wrote: > > "Does anyone know if the above mentioned lens needs a filter in the filter drawer to achieve it's maximum magic? > "Thanks" > > Bill, the F* and FA* 600 F4 lenses do require a filter as part of the optical system. I would therefore suspect that the A* 600 does also. I just had a look at the optical diagrams on the K-Mount Page. The F / FA optical diagram shows the filter as part of the optics but the A* 600/5.6 doesn't. I certainly wouldn't take that as gospel as I don't know where those diagrams come from. I'd tend to assume that any lens with a filter drawer would need the filter. Clear as mud :D Cheers, Dave
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Mark C
Mon, Jun 28, 2021 10:19 PM

On 6/28/2021 1:49 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Jun 28, 2021, at 5:22 PM, jtainter jtainter@mindspring.com wrote:

Bill wrote:

"Does anyone know if the above mentioned lens needs a filter in the  filter drawer to achieve it's maximum magic?
"Thanks"

Bill, the F* and FA* 600 F4 lenses do require a filter as part of the optical system. I would therefore suspect that the A* 600 does also.

I just had a look at the optical diagrams on the K-Mount Page.  The F / FA optical diagram shows the filter as part of the optics but the A* 600/5.6 doesn't.  I certainly wouldn't take that as gospel as I don't know where those diagrams come from.  I'd tend to assume that any lens with a filter drawer would need the filter.  Clear as mud :D

Cheers,
Dave

Interesting note about the optical diagram.   I've had the question
about filters on the A* 400 f2.8 and its optical diagram does show a
filter in place. never thought to check that. I always used a UV filter
with that lens but wondered if it was really needed.

Mark

On 6/28/2021 1:49 AM, David Mann wrote: > On Jun 28, 2021, at 5:22 PM, jtainter <jtainter@mindspring.com> wrote: > >> Bill wrote: >> >> "Does anyone know if the above mentioned lens needs a filter in the filter drawer to achieve it's maximum magic? >> "Thanks" >> >> Bill, the F* and FA* 600 F4 lenses do require a filter as part of the optical system. I would therefore suspect that the A* 600 does also. > I just had a look at the optical diagrams on the K-Mount Page. The F / FA optical diagram shows the filter as part of the optics but the A* 600/5.6 doesn't. I certainly wouldn't take that as gospel as I don't know where those diagrams come from. I'd tend to assume that any lens with a filter drawer would need the filter. Clear as mud :D > > Cheers, > Dave > -- Interesting note about the optical diagram.   I've had the question about filters on the A* 400 f2.8 and its optical diagram does show a filter in place. never thought to check that. I always used a UV filter with that lens but wondered if it was really needed. Mark
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Godfrey DiGiorgi
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 2:11 AM

Every lens I’ve had that had a filter tray or internal filter mount like this has required a matched thickness filter in the tray to achieve their best performance. Even my Sigma 600mm reflex does.

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On Jun 28, 2021, at 3:19 PM, Mark C pdml-mark@charter.net wrote:

On 6/28/2021 1:49 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Jun 28, 2021, at 5:22 PM, jtainter jtainter@mindspring.com wrote:

Bill wrote:

"Does anyone know if the above mentioned lens needs a filter in the  filter drawer to achieve it's maximum magic?
"Thanks"

Bill, the F* and FA* 600 F4 lenses do require a filter as part of the optical system. I would therefore suspect that the A* 600 does also.
I just had a look at the optical diagrams on the K-Mount Page.  The F / FA optical diagram shows the filter as part of the optics but the A* 600/5.6 doesn't.  I certainly wouldn't take that as gospel as I don't know where those diagrams come from.  I'd tend to assume that any lens with a filter drawer would need the filter.  Clear as mud :D

Cheers,
Dave

Interesting note about the optical diagram.  I've had the question about filters on the A* 400 f2.8 and its optical diagram does show a filter in place. never thought to check that. I always used a UV filter with that lens but wondered if it was really needed.

Mark

Every lens I’ve had that had a filter tray or internal filter mount like this has required a matched thickness filter in the tray to achieve their best performance. Even my Sigma 600mm reflex does. G > On Jun 28, 2021, at 3:19 PM, Mark C <pdml-mark@charter.net> wrote: > > On 6/28/2021 1:49 AM, David Mann wrote: >>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 5:22 PM, jtainter <jtainter@mindspring.com> wrote: >>> >>> Bill wrote: >>> >>> "Does anyone know if the above mentioned lens needs a filter in the filter drawer to achieve it's maximum magic? >>> "Thanks" >>> >>> Bill, the F* and FA* 600 F4 lenses do require a filter as part of the optical system. I would therefore suspect that the A* 600 does also. >> I just had a look at the optical diagrams on the K-Mount Page. The F / FA optical diagram shows the filter as part of the optics but the A* 600/5.6 doesn't. I certainly wouldn't take that as gospel as I don't know where those diagrams come from. I'd tend to assume that any lens with a filter drawer would need the filter. Clear as mud :D >> >> Cheers, >> Dave >> -- > > Interesting note about the optical diagram. I've had the question about filters on the A* 400 f2.8 and its optical diagram does show a filter in place. never thought to check that. I always used a UV filter with that lens but wondered if it was really needed. > > Mark >
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Bill
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 2:13 AM

On Mon., Jun. 28, 2021, 4:19 p.m. Mark C, pdml-mark@charter.net wrote:

On 6/28/2021 1:49 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Jun 28, 2021, at 5:22 PM, jtainter jtainter@mindspring.com wrote:

Bill wrote:

"Does anyone know if the above mentioned lens needs a filter in the

filter drawer to achieve it's maximum magic?

"Thanks"

Bill, the F* and FA* 600 F4 lenses do require a filter as part of the

optical system. I would therefore suspect that the A* 600 does also.

I just had a look at the optical diagrams on the K-Mount Page.  The F /

FA optical diagram shows the filter as part of the optics but the A*
600/5.6 doesn't.  I certainly wouldn't take that as gospel as I don't know
where those diagrams come from.  I'd tend to assume that any lens with a
filter drawer would need the filter.  Clear as mud :D

Cheers,
Dave

Interesting note about the optical diagram.  I've had the question
about filters on the A* 400 f2.8 and its optical diagram does show a
filter in place. never thought to check that. I always used a UV filter
with that lens but wondered if it was really needed.

Mark

My A* 600/5.6 (I like being able to say that) came with a huge Tamron clear
filter. Probably a UV. It was a sharpness killer. I took it off and the
lens is a lot better.
I suppose I should toss a filter into the drawer and see what happens.

Bill

On Mon., Jun. 28, 2021, 4:19 p.m. Mark C, <pdml-mark@charter.net> wrote: > On 6/28/2021 1:49 AM, David Mann wrote: > > On Jun 28, 2021, at 5:22 PM, jtainter <jtainter@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > >> Bill wrote: > >> > >> "Does anyone know if the above mentioned lens needs a filter in the > filter drawer to achieve it's maximum magic? > >> "Thanks" > >> > >> Bill, the F* and FA* 600 F4 lenses do require a filter as part of the > optical system. I would therefore suspect that the A* 600 does also. > > I just had a look at the optical diagrams on the K-Mount Page. The F / > FA optical diagram shows the filter as part of the optics but the A* > 600/5.6 doesn't. I certainly wouldn't take that as gospel as I don't know > where those diagrams come from. I'd tend to assume that any lens with a > filter drawer would need the filter. Clear as mud :D > > > > Cheers, > > Dave > > -- > > Interesting note about the optical diagram. I've had the question > about filters on the A* 400 f2.8 and its optical diagram does show a > filter in place. never thought to check that. I always used a UV filter > with that lens but wondered if it was really needed. > > Mark > -- > My A* 600/5.6 (I like being able to say that) came with a huge Tamron clear filter. Probably a UV. It was a sharpness killer. I took it off and the lens is a lot better. I suppose I should toss a filter into the drawer and see what happens. Bill >
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John Francis
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 8:37 PM

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 08:13:19PM -0600, Bill wrote:

My A* 600/5.6 (I like being able to say that) came with a huge Tamron clear
filter. Probably a UV. It was a sharpness killer. I took it off and the
lens is a lot better.
I suppose I should toss a filter into the drawer and see what happens.

Bill

I've got a couple of lenses (A* 300/2.8, FA* 250-600/5.6) that have the
filter holders.  Somehow my little sleeve of filters for the 250-600 got
lost fairly early on (probably at a race weekend), so for most of my
shots with that lens there's been nothing in the filter holder. I keep
telling myself to see if I can get a compatible filter to mount there.

I can't say I've noticed any degradation.  There again most of the time
I'm using that lens on a monopod to track moving targets, so it hasn't
had an absolutely rigid platform.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 08:13:19PM -0600, Bill wrote: > > My A* 600/5.6 (I like being able to say that) came with a huge Tamron clear > filter. Probably a UV. It was a sharpness killer. I took it off and the > lens is a lot better. > I suppose I should toss a filter into the drawer and see what happens. > > Bill I've got a couple of lenses (A* 300/2.8, FA* 250-600/5.6) that have the filter holders. Somehow my little sleeve of filters for the 250-600 got lost fairly early on (probably at a race weekend), so for most of my shots with that lens there's been nothing in the filter holder. I keep telling myself to see if I can get a compatible filter to mount there. I can't say I've noticed any degradation. There again most of the time I'm using that lens on a monopod to track moving targets, so it hasn't had an absolutely rigid platform.