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Larry Colen
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 3:26 AM
Just like Arthur Dent and Thursdays, I’ve never really gotten the hang of autofocus. I think that I’ve pretty much bludgeoned autoexposure into something resembling submission, but getting my camera to autofocus correctly, on what I want it to is at best a stochastic exercise.
On my K100, K20 and K-x I just gave up and installed Katzeye screens and mostly did manual focus, and because of the way the katzeye worked, that meant I also ended up doing manual exposure as well.
Historically, overall, I seem to have had the least bad luck, with it in AF-S mode, selecting a single point, and using the AF button to lock out the autofocus once I thought I had it properly focused, Even so, I get a lot of photos perfectly focused on the microphone in front of a singer, the wrong portion of a bird, the wall behind dancers, or on absolutely nothing at all in the frame.
Lately, I’ve been experimenting with AF-C and AF-A (I’m not sure I understand what AF-A is), and things don’t usually seem to be much worse. I’ll also occasionally play with the sel-9 autofocus mode.
I realize that different types of photography take different techniques. With static scenes I can fiddle and frotz until I get something that seems to work, but when photographing birds, either in trees or on the wing, I really need some techniques and settings that at least improve my odds of getting a shot in focus.
What settings do you use in which situations?
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Just like Arthur Dent and Thursdays, I’ve never really gotten the hang of autofocus. I think that I’ve pretty much bludgeoned autoexposure into something resembling submission, but getting my camera to autofocus correctly, on what I want it to is at best a stochastic exercise.
On my K100, K20 and K-x I just gave up and installed Katzeye screens and mostly did manual focus, and because of the way the katzeye worked, that meant I also ended up doing manual exposure as well.
Historically, overall, I seem to have had the least bad luck, with it in AF-S mode, selecting a single point, and using the AF button to lock out the autofocus once I thought I had it properly focused, Even so, I get a lot of photos perfectly focused on the microphone in front of a singer, the wrong portion of a bird, the wall behind dancers, or on absolutely nothing at all in the frame.
Lately, I’ve been experimenting with AF-C and AF-A (I’m not sure I understand what AF-A is), and things don’t usually seem to be much worse. I’ll also occasionally play with the sel-9 autofocus mode.
I realize that different types of photography take different techniques. With static scenes I can fiddle and frotz until I get something that seems to work, but when photographing birds, either in trees or on the wing, I really need some techniques and settings that at least improve my odds of getting a shot in focus.
What settings do you use in which situations?
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Paul Stenquist
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 3:44 AM
I use single point autofocius S to shoot birds perched in trees. The single point allows you Leo focus on an eye. I don’t se autofocus C (continuous) to shoot birds in flight. Single point for the most parr.
Paul
On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:26 PM, Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com wrote:
Just like Arthur Dent and Thursdays, I’ve never really gotten the hang of autofocus. I think that I’ve pretty much bludgeoned autoexposure into something resembling submission, but getting my camera to autofocus correctly, on what I want it to is at best a stochastic exercise.
On my K100, K20 and K-x I just gave up and installed Katzeye screens and mostly did manual focus, and because of the way the katzeye worked, that meant I also ended up doing manual exposure as well.
Historically, overall, I seem to have had the least bad luck, with it in AF-S mode, selecting a single point, and using the AF button to lock out the autofocus once I thought I had it properly focused, Even so, I get a lot of photos perfectly focused on the microphone in front of a singer, the wrong portion of a bird, the wall behind dancers, or on absolutely nothing at all in the frame.
Lately, I’ve been experimenting with AF-C and AF-A (I’m not sure I understand what AF-A is), and things don’t usually seem to be much worse. I’ll also occasionally play with the sel-9 autofocus mode.
I realize that different types of photography take different techniques. With static scenes I can fiddle and frotz until I get something that seems to work, but when photographing birds, either in trees or on the wing, I really need some techniques and settings that at least improve my odds of getting a shot in focus.
What settings do you use in which situations?
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I use single point autofocius S to shoot birds perched in trees. The single point allows you Leo focus on an eye. I don’t se autofocus C (continuous) to shoot birds in flight. Single point for the most parr.
Paul
> On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:26 PM, Larry Colen <lrc@red4est.com> wrote:
>
> Just like Arthur Dent and Thursdays, I’ve never really gotten the hang of autofocus. I think that I’ve pretty much bludgeoned autoexposure into something resembling submission, but getting my camera to autofocus correctly, on what I want it to is at best a stochastic exercise.
>
> On my K100, K20 and K-x I just gave up and installed Katzeye screens and mostly did manual focus, and because of the way the katzeye worked, that meant I also ended up doing manual exposure as well.
>
> Historically, overall, I seem to have had the least bad luck, with it in AF-S mode, selecting a single point, and using the AF button to lock out the autofocus once I thought I had it properly focused, Even so, I get a lot of photos perfectly focused on the microphone in front of a singer, the wrong portion of a bird, the wall behind dancers, or on absolutely nothing at all in the frame.
>
> Lately, I’ve been experimenting with AF-C and AF-A (I’m not sure I understand what AF-A is), and things don’t usually seem to be much worse. I’ll also occasionally play with the sel-9 autofocus mode.
>
> I realize that different types of photography take different techniques. With static scenes I can fiddle and frotz until I get something that seems to work, but when photographing birds, either in trees or on the wing, I really need some techniques and settings that at least improve my odds of getting a shot in focus.
>
> What settings do you use in which situations?
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Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 5:54 AM
I just turn AF off and focus manually. Much faster and simpler. :)
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On Feb 24, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com wrote:
What settings do you use in which situations?
I just turn AF off and focus manually. Much faster and simpler. :)
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> On Feb 24, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Larry Colen <lrc@red4est.com> wrote:
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> What settings do you use in which situations?
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Larry Colen
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 5:59 AM
On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:
I just turn AF off and focus manually. Much faster and simpler. :)
Depends on which Pentax body. Like I said, with my K100, K2 & Kx that was true. I forget which one you’re using these days? You seem to change your cameras more frequently than some members of this list change their underwear.
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> On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigiorgi@me.com> wrote:
>
> I just turn AF off and focus manually. Much faster and simpler. :)
Depends on which Pentax body. Like I said, with my K100, K2 & Kx that was true. I forget which one you’re using these days? You seem to change your cameras more frequently than some members of this list change their underwear.
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Bob Pdml
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 7:42 AM
Really depends on what I’m shooting and what I want to focus on, but I let the abbreviations be my guide:
AF-S - Autofocus Serendipity
AF-C - Autofocus Chance
AF-A - Autofocus Anything
In the Olympus world, which is where I mostly live, you can set the cameras up to recognise and focus on an eye, with further settings for nearest, furthest and somewhere in between, I guess. If your pentaxes have something like that it would probably with your microphone problem. More recent Olympoi than mine also have a bird recognition capability and focus on the bird’s eye.
In general I use AF-S and the lock button as that most closely resembles what I do when I’m shooting with the Leica M. If it’s not doing what i want then I switch to manual.
On 25 Feb 2021, at 03:26, Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com wrote:
Just like Arthur Dent and Thursdays, I’ve never really gotten the hang of autofocus. I think that I’ve pretty much bludgeoned autoexposure into something resembling submission, but getting my camera to autofocus correctly, on what I want it to is at best a stochastic exercise.
On my K100, K20 and K-x I just gave up and installed Katzeye screens and mostly did manual focus, and because of the way the katzeye worked, that meant I also ended up doing manual exposure as well.
Historically, overall, I seem to have had the least bad luck, with it in AF-S mode, selecting a single point, and using the AF button to lock out the autofocus once I thought I had it properly focused, Even so, I get a lot of photos perfectly focused on the microphone in front of a singer, the wrong portion of a bird, the wall behind dancers, or on absolutely nothing at all in the frame.
Lately, I’ve been experimenting with AF-C and AF-A (I’m not sure I understand what AF-A is), and things don’t usually seem to be much worse. I’ll also occasionally play with the sel-9 autofocus mode.
I realize that different types of photography take different techniques. With static scenes I can fiddle and frotz until I get something that seems to work, but when photographing birds, either in trees or on the wing, I really need some techniques and settings that at least improve my odds of getting a shot in focus.
What settings do you use in which situations?
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Really depends on what I’m shooting and what I want to focus on, but I let the abbreviations be my guide:
AF-S - Autofocus Serendipity
AF-C - Autofocus Chance
AF-A - Autofocus Anything
In the Olympus world, which is where I mostly live, you can set the cameras up to recognise and focus on an eye, with further settings for nearest, furthest and somewhere in between, I guess. If your pentaxes have something like that it would probably with your microphone problem. More recent Olympoi than mine also have a bird recognition capability and focus on the bird’s eye.
In general I use AF-S and the lock button as that most closely resembles what I do when I’m shooting with the Leica M. If it’s not doing what i want then I switch to manual.
> On 25 Feb 2021, at 03:26, Larry Colen <lrc@red4est.com> wrote:
>
> Just like Arthur Dent and Thursdays, I’ve never really gotten the hang of autofocus. I think that I’ve pretty much bludgeoned autoexposure into something resembling submission, but getting my camera to autofocus correctly, on what I want it to is at best a stochastic exercise.
>
> On my K100, K20 and K-x I just gave up and installed Katzeye screens and mostly did manual focus, and because of the way the katzeye worked, that meant I also ended up doing manual exposure as well.
>
> Historically, overall, I seem to have had the least bad luck, with it in AF-S mode, selecting a single point, and using the AF button to lock out the autofocus once I thought I had it properly focused, Even so, I get a lot of photos perfectly focused on the microphone in front of a singer, the wrong portion of a bird, the wall behind dancers, or on absolutely nothing at all in the frame.
>
> Lately, I’ve been experimenting with AF-C and AF-A (I’m not sure I understand what AF-A is), and things don’t usually seem to be much worse. I’ll also occasionally play with the sel-9 autofocus mode.
>
> I realize that different types of photography take different techniques. With static scenes I can fiddle and frotz until I get something that seems to work, but when photographing birds, either in trees or on the wing, I really need some techniques and settings that at least improve my odds of getting a shot in focus.
>
> What settings do you use in which situations?
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Alan C
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 7:55 AM
I mostly use auto focus, single point, spot. Works fine for me. M focus
occasionally if I am trying to thread the sensor through the
undergrowth. K110D, K7 & K5 all the same.
Alan C
On 25-Feb-21 07:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:
I just turn AF off and focus manually. Much faster and simpler. :)
Depends on which Pentax body. Like I said, with my K100, K2 & Kx that was true. I forget which one you’re using these days? You seem to change your cameras more frequently than some members of this list change their underwear.
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I mostly use auto focus, single point, spot. Works fine for me. M focus
occasionally if I am trying to thread the sensor through the
undergrowth. K110D, K7 & K5 all the same.
Alan C
On 25-Feb-21 07:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
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>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigiorgi@me.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just turn AF off and focus manually. Much faster and simpler. :)
> Depends on which Pentax body. Like I said, with my K100, K2 & Kx that was true. I forget which one you’re using these days? You seem to change your cameras more frequently than some members of this list change their underwear.
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Ralf R Radermacher
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 9:32 AM
I've taken the autofocus away from the trigger button, put it on the AF
button and set it to spot in the center of the frame.
So, I take the detail that I want to focus on into the centre, shortly
hit the AF button with my thumb and then shoot when the moment is right.
Works fine for me.
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I've taken the autofocus away from the trigger button, put it on the AF
button and set it to spot in the center of the frame.
So, I take the detail that I want to focus on into the centre, shortly
hit the AF button with my thumb and then shoot when the moment is right.
Works fine for me.
Ralf
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Henk Terhell
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 9:38 AM
On the K-1 I use for handheld shots AFS single spot with back focus
button.
For butterflies and damselflies in flight often manual focus because the
Pentax AF is not fast/accurate enough.
For landscape on tripod in Live View (tilted screen!) in Select mode to
get more area to focus on.
For most macro work manual focus - this is a must for focus stacking.
Henk
Op 2021-02-25 om 04:26 schreef Larry Colen:
Just like Arthur Dent and Thursdays, I’ve never really gotten the hang of autofocus. I think that I’ve pretty much bludgeoned autoexposure into something resembling submission, but getting my camera to autofocus correctly, on what I want it to is at best a stochastic exercise.
On my K100, K20 and K-x I just gave up and installed Katzeye screens and mostly did manual focus, and because of the way the katzeye worked, that meant I also ended up doing manual exposure as well.
Historically, overall, I seem to have had the least bad luck, with it in AF-S mode, selecting a single point, and using the AF button to lock out the autofocus once I thought I had it properly focused, Even so, I get a lot of photos perfectly focused on the microphone in front of a singer, the wrong portion of a bird, the wall behind dancers, or on absolutely nothing at all in the frame.
Lately, I’ve been experimenting with AF-C and AF-A (I’m not sure I understand what AF-A is), and things don’t usually seem to be much worse. I’ll also occasionally play with the sel-9 autofocus mode.
I realize that different types of photography take different techniques. With static scenes I can fiddle and frotz until I get something that seems to work, but when photographing birds, either in trees or on the wing, I really need some techniques and settings that at least improve my odds of getting a shot in focus.
What settings do you use in which situations?
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On the K-1 I use for handheld shots AFS single spot with back focus
button.
For butterflies and damselflies in flight often manual focus because the
Pentax AF is not fast/accurate enough.
For landscape on tripod in Live View (tilted screen!) in Select mode to
get more area to focus on.
For most macro work manual focus - this is a must for focus stacking.
Henk
Op 2021-02-25 om 04:26 schreef Larry Colen:
> Just like Arthur Dent and Thursdays, I’ve never really gotten the hang of autofocus. I think that I’ve pretty much bludgeoned autoexposure into something resembling submission, but getting my camera to autofocus correctly, on what I want it to is at best a stochastic exercise.
>
> On my K100, K20 and K-x I just gave up and installed Katzeye screens and mostly did manual focus, and because of the way the katzeye worked, that meant I also ended up doing manual exposure as well.
>
> Historically, overall, I seem to have had the least bad luck, with it in AF-S mode, selecting a single point, and using the AF button to lock out the autofocus once I thought I had it properly focused, Even so, I get a lot of photos perfectly focused on the microphone in front of a singer, the wrong portion of a bird, the wall behind dancers, or on absolutely nothing at all in the frame.
>
> Lately, I’ve been experimenting with AF-C and AF-A (I’m not sure I understand what AF-A is), and things don’t usually seem to be much worse. I’ll also occasionally play with the sel-9 autofocus mode.
>
> I realize that different types of photography take different techniques. With static scenes I can fiddle and frotz until I get something that seems to work, but when photographing birds, either in trees or on the wing, I really need some techniques and settings that at least improve my odds of getting a shot in focus.
>
> What settings do you use in which situations?
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Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 3:09 PM
On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:
I just turn AF off and focus manually. Much faster and simpler. :)
Depends on which Pentax body. Like I said, with my K100, K2 & Kx that was true. I forget which one you’re using these days? You seem to change your cameras more frequently than some members of this list change their underwear.
I haven't had a Pentax body since I sold the K-01 about five or six years ago. (I had *ist DS, K10D, and K-01 over the period of years from 2004 to 2015.) Still have the Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Special lens, used on the Leica CL body.
"…change your cameras more frequently than…"?
In digital cameras, I've had the same Leica CL since 2018, the same Olympus E-M1 since 2013, the same Light L16 since 2017, and the same Olympus E-1 since 2007. That goes for most of the lenses for those cameras as well. I added the Hasselblad 907x and three lenses, and the Panasonic GX9 and one lens last year. They all get used a good bit.
In film cameras, well, I can't count how many I have easily. But the ones that come to mind as recent purchases are the 6x6 pinhole camera (about 2014), the Hasselblad 500CM (about 2012), the Fuji GS645S (2019), the Voigtlander Perkeo II (about 2005), the Polaroid SX-70 variants (four of them, acquired from 2011 to 2018), the Rollei 35S (1989), the Minox 35GT-E (1998), about five Minox 8x11 subminis (acquired from 1990 to 1999), the Leica M4-2 (2012) and a small litter of other instant film, Berning Robot, 35mm SLRs, 35mm point and shoots, etc. The Mamiya Press 23 Super (2018).
Yes, I have a lot of cameras. I don't buy and sell them particularly quickly. I do enjoy them. I make photographs with them, changing from one to the next as whim and ideas surface. I'm working on a set of about 70 photographs right now that were made with the Polaroids, for example, over a period of about five months. And with a similar set of photos made with the Hasselblad. And with the Leica CL, and with the pinhole camera … and … :)
Manual focus is still the simplest and fastest way for me to accurately focus a camera, regardless of all the AF conveniences in modern cameras, and any specific camera.
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On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:59 PM, Larry Colen <lrc@red4est.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigiorgi@me.com> wrote:
>> I just turn AF off and focus manually. Much faster and simpler. :)
>
> Depends on which Pentax body. Like I said, with my K100, K2 & Kx that was true. I forget which one you’re using these days? You seem to change your cameras more frequently than some members of this list change their underwear.
I haven't had a Pentax body since I sold the K-01 about five or six years ago. (I had *ist DS, K10D, and K-01 over the period of years from 2004 to 2015.) Still have the Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Special lens, used on the Leica CL body.
"…change your cameras more frequently than…"?
In digital cameras, I've had the same Leica CL since 2018, the same Olympus E-M1 since 2013, the same Light L16 since 2017, and the same Olympus E-1 since 2007. That goes for most of the lenses for those cameras as well. I added the Hasselblad 907x and three lenses, and the Panasonic GX9 and one lens last year. They all get used a good bit.
In film cameras, well, I can't count how many I have easily. But the ones that come to mind as recent purchases are the 6x6 pinhole camera (about 2014), the Hasselblad 500CM (about 2012), the Fuji GS645S (2019), the Voigtlander Perkeo II (about 2005), the Polaroid SX-70 variants (four of them, acquired from 2011 to 2018), the Rollei 35S (1989), the Minox 35GT-E (1998), about five Minox 8x11 subminis (acquired from 1990 to 1999), the Leica M4-2 (2012) and a small litter of other instant film, Berning Robot, 35mm SLRs, 35mm point and shoots, etc. The Mamiya Press 23 Super (2018).
Yes, I have a lot of cameras. I don't buy and sell them particularly quickly. I do enjoy them. I make photographs with them, changing from one to the next as whim and ideas surface. I'm working on a set of about 70 photographs right now that were made with the Polaroids, for example, over a period of about five months. And with a similar set of photos made with the Hasselblad. And with the Leica CL, and with the pinhole camera … and … :)
Manual focus is still the simplest and fastest way for me to accurately focus a camera, regardless of all the AF conveniences in modern cameras, and any specific camera.
G
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Rick Womer
Thu, Feb 25, 2021 9:11 PM
Ditto what Alan wrote.
Rick
On Feb 25, 2021, at 2:55 AM, Alan C cole@lantic.net wrote:
I mostly use auto focus, single point, spot. Works fine for me. M focus occasionally if I am trying to thread the sensor through the undergrowth. K110D, K7 & K5 all the same.
Alan C
On 25-Feb-21 07:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi@me.com wrote:
I just turn AF off and focus manually. Much faster and simpler. :)
Depends on which Pentax body. Like I said, with my K100, K2 & Kx that was true. I forget which one you’re using these days? You seem to change your cameras more frequently than some members of this list change their underwear.
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Ditto what Alan wrote.
Rick
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 2:55 AM, Alan C <cole@lantic.net> wrote:
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> I mostly use auto focus, single point, spot. Works fine for me. M focus occasionally if I am trying to thread the sensor through the undergrowth. K110D, K7 & K5 all the same.
>
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> On 25-Feb-21 07:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
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>>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigiorgi@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just turn AF off and focus manually. Much faster and simpler. :)
>> Depends on which Pentax body. Like I said, with my K100, K2 & Kx that was true. I forget which one you’re using these days? You seem to change your cameras more frequently than some members of this list change their underwear.
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