Re: GESO Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris.

Paul Stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net
Sun Apr 21 08:05:22 EDT 2019


Canada produces huge oak timbers. 

Paul

> On Apr 20, 2019, at 7:30 PM, John <jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com> wrote:
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> In that case, where are they going to get the timbers they're going to need?
> 
> Seems to me the "wasn't done that way when ND was constructed" argument is going to apply to anything they might be able to do today, which means they're left trying to find the least historically incorrect way of rebuilding.
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>> On 4/20/2019 02:28:20, mike wilson wrote:
>> Glulam falls down (possibly literally) in the jointing.  The whole point of using green oak is that the joints tighten up as the wood seasons in the building, reducing to neglibility the need for joint maintenance.  The system works, as can be seen in the large number of buildings that are approaching a millenium in age.  In contrast, the oldest glulam building is not even 200 years old.  The biggest argument against it, however, is that it wasn't done that way when ND was constructed.
>>> On 19 April 2019 at 04:49 John <jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com> wrote:
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>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glued_laminated_timber
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>>> On 4/18/2019 03:46:33, Bob Pdml wrote:
>>>>> I expect the oak will be replaced with some kind of engineered wood beams.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That would be the architectural equivalent of this:
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19349921
>>>> 
>>>> On the other hand it was the French who gave us post-modernism and a love of fragmentation and the simulacrum, so perhaps it's not a bad idea.
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently a US researcher recently laser-scanned the whole thing, so maybe we could just 3D-print a new one, in resin made from harvested ocean plastic.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/future-of-notre-dame
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Apr 2019, at 01:00, John <jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It took 182 years to build it the first time, so if it takes longer than 5 years for the repairs that's not such a big deal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carpenters can be trained. If it takes 40 years to rebuild it, that's a career.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The oak might be another problem, but I expect the oak will be replaced with some kind of engineered wood beams. Nor will it surprise me if there's a lot of international support for the reconstruction.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/17/2019 13:52:11, Bob Pdml wrote:
>>>>>> French people are saying 'typical Macron, promising something when he has no idea whether it is possible or not'. One article i read suggests that it will take up to 40 years. The bishop has already said it will be closed for at least 5 or 6.
>>>>>> One of the problems is that there aren't enough oak trees or carpenters with the right skills
>>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2019, at 17:52, Paul Stenquist <pnstenquist at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks to all who commented or had a look. In the hours since this tragedy it’s become obvious that the cathedral can be restored. I will take year -- Macron says 5 years — but it will be worth the wait.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2019, at 3:12 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenquist at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m catholic only by birth not by practice, but watching Notre Dame burn last night was crushing. I immediately recalled how I was overwhelmed by the majesty and history of this ancient cathedral when I visited it on a spring afternoon in 2003. Extending a business trip by a day, I wandered the streets of Paris with my Leica iiif RD and Summicron 50/2 Collapsible, alternately shooting tribute-x and Portra 400. I had the color neg film loaded when I stopped in the cathedral and captured a few images as best I could, given the faded mirror of my Leica and the dim lighting. Yesterday, I wondered what had become of those images. I found an envelope that contained the negatives and camera store prints and scanned a few of the negatives. Today, I assembled a small gallery. https://www.photo.net/gallery/1109648#//Sort-Newest/All-Categories/All-Time/Page-1
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