OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

John Sessoms jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com
Sat Oct 10 13:33:05 EDT 2009

From: mike wilson
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>> > Oppenheimer.  The atomic bomb kept the peace for 50+ years, at least 
>> > there were no "major" shooting wars for 50 years because no one wanted 
>> > to risk a conventional war getting out of hand.  Probably the first time 
>> > that a weapon was actually too terrible to use.
> Wow.  Whilst I can understand that you may not consider the recent stuff 
> in the Middle East major because not so many Americans have been 
> affected, how you can say that Vietnam was anything other than major for 
> the USA (especially considering the psychological effect of "losing" 
> after all those deaths) and at least three other countries, I do not know

World War One caused something like 16 MILLION deaths in four years.

The second world war produced somewhere between 62 - 78 MILLION deaths 
worldwide in six years, including between 1 and 1.5 million civilian 
deaths in what was then French Indochina (now Vietnam, Laos & Cambodia).

In the first Indochina war -
500,000 Viet Minh KIA; 89,797 French KIA/MIA

In the second Indochina war, aka the Vietnam War -
1.5 million Vietnamese KIA (both sides);
60,000 US KIA/MIA; 524 Anzac KIA; 4,407 ROC KIA; 351 Thai KIA;
30,000 Meo/Hmong people KIA

It was a major conflict for those involved, but on a worldwide scale, it 
was limited compared to the two world wars that preceded it, plus being 
confined, for the most part, within the boundaries of a "single" country.

It's a reasonable argument that fear of escalation to a nuclear 
confrontation was one reason it did not become a larger conflict.

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